The 2024 Trade Deadline

[G54377]

Fedde seems like the Michael Lorenzen of 2024. Would anyone really be surprised if he was traded and had the same second half as Lorenzen did with the Phillies last year?

[Sports Guy]

4 minutes ago, G54377 said:

Fedde seems like the Michael Lorenzen of 2024. Would anyone really be surprised if he was traded and had the same second half as Lorenzen did with the Phillies last year?

I think he did have better statcast numbers than Lorenzen did.

[Tryptamine]

Not directly related to the Orioles, but the fact that there's a rumor that the Cubs have talked to Seattle about Nico Hoerner means that they aren't just moving rental players and are opening to moving guys with control. 

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

34 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

Not directly related to the Orioles, but the fact that there's a rumor that the Cubs have talked to Seattle about Nico Hoerner means that they aren't just moving rental players and are opening to moving guys with control. 

Maybe the Orioles could trade Norby as part of a package to the Mariners to land a pitcher. I don't think the Mariners are going to be eager to part with any established veteran pitchers, but Elias might as well do his due diligence and ask.

[OriolesMagic83]

I'm thinking there is a good chance Elias makes a strong play for Crochet.  Hear me out before I get drowned out in a chorus of boos.  It seems that Westburg, Mayo, and Holliday can not co exist on the same team.  Too many bodies not enough positions.  That's not even accounting for Basallo (is he more of a 1B/DH) and Kjerstad (same).  Imo, it's better to solve the backlog of prospects before it becomes obvious and the O's hand is forced and the O's have to accept supoptimal value.  There's this little problem of the O's very obvious lack of pitching depth.  O's #1 is Burnes, #2 is Gray Rod, #3 is ??, #4 is ??, #5 is ??.  Yeah I know Suarez, Povich, Irvin and probably Kremer go in there but that's not really a desirable mix. 

Crochet pitched another strong 7 innings with 11 K's last night.  He only threw 88 pitches.   His stuff is off the charts.  Statcast has more red than a Freddy Krugger movie.  Makes the O's rotation probably the best in a short series and one of the best in a longer series.  I know Elias is losing sleep over getting this kind of elite talent.  I keep thinking it's better to get a lesser pitcher  and keep the prospects but then I think the goal is winning and as someone said "there is no way the O's can ruin the farm in one deal".  It doesn't matter what I think, is Elias making a bet on this year and trading a guy he thinks he might not have a position for? 

[interloper]

3 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

I'm thinking there is a good chance Elias makes a strong play for Crochet.  Hear me out before I get drowned out in a chorus of boos.  It seems that Westburg, Mayo, and Holliday can not co exist on the same team.  Too many bodies not enough positions.  That's not even accounting for Basallo (is he more of a 1B/DH) and Kjerstad (same).  Imo, it's better to solve the backlog of prospects before it becomes obvious and the O's hand is forced and the O's have to accept supoptimal value.  There's this little problem of the O's very obvious lack of pitching depth.  O's #1 is Burnes, #2 is Gray Rod, #3 is ??, #4 is ??, #5 is ??.  Yeah I know Suarez, Povich, Irvin and probably Kremer go in there but that's not really a desirable mix. 

Crochet pitched another strong 7 innings with 11 K's last night.  He only threw 88 pitches.   His stuff is off the charts.  Statcast has more red than a Freddy Krugger movie.  Makes the O's rotation probably the best in a short series and one of the best in a longer series.  I know Elias is losing sleep over getting this kind of elite talent.  I keep thinking it's better to get a lesser pitcher  and keep the prospects but then I think the goal is winning and as someone said "there is no way the O's can ruin the farm in one deal".  It doesn't matter what I think, is Elias making a bet on this year and trading a guy he thinks he might not have a position for? 

I hear you but everything seems kind of moot if Crochet and his agent want him on an innings limit. Even if they don't, I doubt Elias would throw caution to the wind like that and abuse the guy's arm. So it seems unlikely Elias would give the White Sox SP-level prospects for a guy they'd be forced to use in the bullpen. 

[OriolesMagic83]

6 minutes ago, interloper said:

I hear you but everything seems kind of moot if Crochet and his agent want him on an innings limit. Even if they don't, I doubt Elias would throw caution to the wind like that and abuse the guy's arm. So it seems unlikely Elias would give the White Sox SP-level prospects for a guy they'd be forced to use in the bullpen. 

The O's would have Crochet thru 2026.  They could also give him the Gray Rod rest treatment and then pitch him out of the pen until September. 

[interloper]

1 minute ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

The O's would have Crochet thru 2026.  They could also give him the Gray Rod rest treatment and then pitch him out of the pen until September. 

It's possible, of course. But the White Sox are going to be like "screw you, give us a trade package as if he's a front line starting pitcher" when you'd really be using him out of the bullpen for most of this year. So you're not getting his full value for what you're giving up. 

[Chromehill]

If you are giving up one of your elite prospects, it has to be for someone who will help you win the World Series this year.  Given the most likely innings limit on Crochet this year, he is not that someone.  

[ChuckS]

10 minutes ago, Chromehill said:

If you are giving up one of your elite prospects, it has to be for someone who will help you win the World Series this year.  Given the most likely innings limit on Crochet this year, he is not that someone.  

 

11 minutes ago, interloper said:

It's possible, of course. But the White Sox are going to be like "screw you, give us a trade package as if he's a front line starting pitcher" when you'd really be using him out of the bullpen for most of this year. So you're not getting his full value for what you're giving up. 

What is the actual market for Crochet?  I get that his statcast numbers are excellent, but he's been used as a reliever his entire big league career before this season. 

I hear the big three (Holliday, Basallo, and Mayo) being thrown out there.  Would a package headlined by Kjerstad not be enough?

A potential all-star corner outfielder, who will be on your squad for the next six seasons, seems more than fair for a SP under control for two more seasons and has never thrown 100 innings. 

[MDtransplant757]

Why not see how much someone like Jameson Taillon would cost prospect wise? $17 million a year for a decent pitcher isn't horrendous. 

[RZNJ]

7 hours ago, Roll Tide said:

I wonder if we can put a deal together for Ryan Weathers. He’s on the IL with a finger strain.but has put together a nice season. It would be a value for value trade since he’s under control through 2028. 

Interesting.  All the things you said about Fedde apply tenfold to Weathers.

”I don’t think he can be counted on for that. If you can get him cheap fine but his career WAR is 3.5 and he has 3.7 this year. Plus he’s 33 innings short of his career high …did 120-130 range twice. How could that be your acquisition that can be counted on when he could quite possibly run out of gas? Or get to a team where performance matters and feel the pressure versus pitching for the White Sox…A horrid team that everyone knew was going to suck”

[RZNJ]

1 hour ago, Chromehill said:

If you are giving up one of your elite prospects, it has to be for someone who will help you win the World Series this year.  Given the most likely innings limit on Crochet this year, he is not that someone.  

Crochet in June.

36 IP, 27 H, 6 BB, 56 K

Doesn’t look like he’s getting tired to me.   Innings limit?   Unless Crochet is asking for a limit, I say there is no limit.

Did someone put an innings limit on 23 Chris Sale (78 to 180), 39 yo Verlander (0 to 175) or a 23 yo Jim Palmer (0 to 181)?

[Aristotelian]

1 hour ago, interloper said:

I hear you but everything seems kind of moot if Crochet and his agent want him on an innings limit. Even if they don't, I doubt Elias would throw caution to the wind like that and abuse the guy's arm. So it seems unlikely Elias would give the White Sox SP-level prospects for a guy they'd be forced to use in the bullpen. 

I don't see any issue with an innings limit. Let him pitch the next two months as an opener. Ramp him up again in September. Let him loose in October. 

[G54377]

47 minutes ago, MDtransplant757 said:

Why not see how much someone like Jameson Taillon would cost prospect wise? $17 million a year for a decent pitcher isn't horrendous. 

This is probably a good pivot if nothing else but the "better" pitchers on the market don't pan out. Connor Norby would seem like a player the Cubs would want. If we are willing to take on the salary. Do the Cubs really think they are contending in 2025 or 26? Hell, maybe they can add in Drew Smyly. Especially if DC looks iffy to actually make it back this season.