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That blog entry is about Jeremy Guthrie. How does that prove Juan Samuel has redeeming value? As for Samuel getting "blamed" for the mistakes of players... I don't know how much more I can say. Both Roberts and Pie as well as others have taken plenty of heat for their recent baserunning mistakes. That doesn't change the fact that Samuel is also an all-around lousy coach and has been drawing ire for a plethora of mistakes for essentially his entire tenure here. The noise is just getting louder lately, but it's been there for a long time.

Keep reading. Under the interview.

Yeah, there. You know, the part about Nolan Reimold's baserunning.

Anyways, it doesn't matter who the third base coach is. You want to replace him? Go nuts, I really don't care. If you want a competent third base coach, get yourself some good baserunners.

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Ask anyone who has played major league baseball who is responsible for the play on the field.

I'll bet you a cup of coffee they don't say "the third base coach."

I am not saying the 3B coach is resposible for those mistakes. I am saying he has certain resposibilities on those two plays and it doesn't appear to me that Samuel made any efforet to carry them out.

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Of course Juan Samuel doesn't deserve credit for Nolan Reimold's baserunning, just like he doesn't deserve BLAME for Felix Pie's.

Phew... this isn't that hard.

Apparently it is hard.

If you can show me evidence where Reimold looks to Samuel for guidance and then subsequently makes a smart base-running decision, I will give Samuel credit for that.

Until then, Samuel is still the worthless statue that he's been all season. Combine that with his inappropriate comments he made earlier to the media, he's a detriment to this organization.

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I am not saying the 3B coach is resposible for those mistakes. I am saying he has certain resposibilities on those two plays and it doesn't appear to me that Samuel made any efforet to carry them out.

LOL.

Alrighty, then. Off with his head!!!! Bring in the next scapegoat.

I'm not saying Juan Samuel is omnipotent or anything. I'm just saying in the grand scheme of things, there's very little a third base can do when baserunners make stupid decisions.

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I don't know the 3rd base signs but I'm assuming Samuel put his hands up to say stop at 2nd which Pie did. Again, as I said in a post above from my understanding of the play last night Pie did nothing wrong.

The pop up was a completely different situation. I can't get into Pie's mind but that was all on him. I mean that's a play that he saw and read and made a decision to go on. He's not going to look at his 3rd base coach there before making a decision. Once Pie made the commitment to go it was all over. If a player makes a read and on his own there is nothing Samuel can do to change his mind in a split seconds time. I'm not trying to be an ass but the Twins aren't going to stop playing and let Pie and Samuel debate whether Pie can make it to 3rd in time.

This is my question for you . You are the 3B coach and you see that Morneau has made the catch not Mauer. You see Pie tagging and starting to head towards you at 3B. You would do nothing in that situation?
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This is my question for you . You are the 3B coach and you see that Morneau has made the catch not Mauer. You see Pie tagging and starting to head towards you at 3B. You would do nothing in that situation?

I would be on one knee, staring out into left field. What do I win?

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Apparently it is hard.

If you can show me evidence where Reimold looks to Samuel for guidance and then subsequently makes a smart base-running decision, I will give Samuel credit for that.

Until then, Samuel is still the worthless statue that he's been all season. Combine that with his inappropriate comments he made earlier to the media, he's a detriment to this organization.

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE...

Samuel shouldn't GET credit for it!!!!!!!!!!! Why? Because Nolan Reimold has the baseball instincts to locate the ball and make a decision that he can get to third base.

What would you say if Reimold was thrown out at third on that play by 10 feet?

Here's a hint: You'd say, "FIRE SAMUEL!!!!!!"

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Keep reading. Under the interview.

Yeah, there. You know, the part about Nolan Reimold's baserunning.

Anyways, it doesn't matter who the third base coach is. You want to replace him? Go nuts, I really don't care. If you want a competent third base coach, get yourself some good baserunners.

How does Samuel deserve credit for one player having solid instincts and being a gamer, but no blame for all the players on the team who have bad instincts, the ones who aren't motivated, the players (mainly Roberts and Markakis) who were better baserunners before he took over as their baserunning coach, or for not appearing to even pay attention when they are in the process of messing up? Even if you do give him credit every time an O runs the bases well, he deserves a lot more blame than credit.

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LOL.

Alrighty, then. Off with his head!!!! Bring in the next scapegoat.

I'm not saying Juan Samuel is omnipotent or anything. I'm just saying in the grand scheme of things, there's very little a third base can do when baserunners make stupid decisions.

I am saying when 3B coaches can't even be bothered to do the little that is expected of them, but feel they have a license to bash the players they don't bother to help in the press, they should be fired. Maybe if we had Treblehorn back, he could teach Pie to steal bases.
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How does Samuel deserve credit for one player having solid instincts and being a gamer, but no blame for all the players on the team who have bad instincts, the ones who aren't motivated, the players (mainly Roberts and Markakis) who were better baserunners before he took over as their baserunning coach, or for not appearing to even pay attention when they are in the process of messing up? Even if you do give him credit every time an O runs the bases well, he deserves a lot more blame than credit.

HE DOESN"T DESERVE CREDIT!!!!!!!

But, off with his head, because he clearly deserves blame.

God bless America.

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I am saying when 3B coaches can't ebven bebotheresd to do the little that is expected of them but feel they have a license to bash the players they don't bother to help in the press, they should be fired. Maybe if we had Treblehorn back, he could teach Pie to steal bases.

Forget Treblehorn, give me Perlozzo...

The defense and the baserunning would improve IMO. Great coach, lousy manager...

Maybe Trembley and Samuel could trade places for the rest of the season. Samuel would certainly hold players accountable IMO... :laughlol:

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I am saying when 3B coaches can't ebven bebotheresd to do the little that is expected of them but feel they have a license to bash the players they don't bother to help in the press, they should be fired. Maybe if we had Treblehorn back, he could teach Pie to steal bases.

Yeah, maybe. :rolleyes:

Let's try it. Hell, everything he's learned for 24 years hasn't sunk in. He obviously needs a baserunning mentor and Trebelhorn "taught" Rickey Henderson how to steal bases.

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