What's up with JOBat taunting us?

[The Wedge]

Give just about anybody enough room to feel they can do what they want, and you will usually see their core personalities emerge. It's rare when an athlete can maintain that facade like Jordan or Ripken. You really can learn a lot about any person when the chips are down and when everything is coming up Milhouse.

So what's with Bautista taunting? He's an ass. An over-entitled jerk off.

[NestMinder]

Here's a nice little recap, with GIFs, c/o Larry Brown Sports.

http://larrybrownsports.com/baseball/jose-bautista-darren-oday-home-run-video/193105

[The Wedge]

When Bautista was an Oriole, his team mates were Jason Grimsley, Daniel Cabrera, Buddy Groom, Javy Lopez, Raffy Palmerio, Miggi Tejada, Larry Bigbie, Jay Gibbons, Jerry Hairston, Brian Roberts, Jack Cust, and David Sequi.

What do they all have in common.

You mean...besides being former Orioles? (or in the case of Roberts, an Oriole?) All people who've never been in my kitchen?

[OsEatAlEast]

Wasn't Segui named in the Mitchell report as the guy with the connections?

[weams]

[weams]

Steroids? I mean, I know that's what you mean and Bautista is certainly a player who came out of nowhere to becomes a power hitting star. You named a lot of names. What do you know about Jerry Hairston? Why is he on the list?

I only bolded the names of guys that I know were either caught or admitted doing PED's.

Everyone on the list, was caught, admitted. or was listed in the Mitchell report.

Names Named (From Kirk Radomski):Lenny Dykstra[b]David SeguiLarry BigbieBrian Roberts[/b][b]Jack Cust[/b]Tim LakerJosias ManzanilloTodd HundleyMark CarreonHal MorrisMatt FrancoRondell WhiteRoger ClemensAndy PettitteChuck KnoblauchJason GrimsleyGregg ZaunDavid JusticeF.P. SantangeloGlenallen HillMo VaughnDenny NeagleRon VilloneRyan FranklinChris DonnelsTodd WilliamsPhil HiattTodd PrattKevin YoungMike LansingCody McKayKent MerckerAdam Piatt[b]Miguel Tejada[/b]Jason ChristiansenMike StantonStephen Randolph[b]Jerry Hairston  Jr.[/b]Paul Lo DucaAdam RiggsBart MiadichFernando VinaKevin BrownEric Gagn?Mike BellMatt HergesGary Bennett  Jr.Jim ParqueBrendan DonnellyChad AllenJeff WilliamsHowie ClarkExavier ?Nook? LoganCurrent players named as part of Signature Pharmacy Investigation:Rick Ankiel  Paul Byrd  [b]Jay Gibbons[/b]  Troy Glaus  Jose Guillen[b]Jerry Hairston  Jr.[/b]  Gary Matthews  Jr.Scott Schoeneweis  Former players named as part of Signature Pharmacy InvestigationDavid BellJose Canseco  [b]Jason Grimsley[/b]  Darren Holmes  John Rocker  Ismael Valdez  Matt WilliamsSteve WoodardBALCO Listing:Barry BondsGary SheffieldJason GiambiJeremy GiambiArmando Rios Marvin BenardBobby EstalellaBenito SantiagoRandy VelardeOthers:Manny Alexander (2000 - Was subjected to ?reasonable cause? testing after Massachusetts state police discovered anabolic steroids and syringes in the glove compartment of his car, which he had loaned to a clubhouse attendant)Willie Aikens - (1983 - Referenced as part of four players with the Kansas City Royals that were arrested on cocaine related charges - Three of the players (Akiens, along with Jerry Martin, and Willie Wilson) pleaded guilty to misdemeanor possession charges and were each sentenced to a fine and one-year imprisonment (with all but three months of those sentences suspended) (see Vida Blue entry for fourth player).Chad Allen - (former MLB player, and Radomski customer - Interviewed as part of Mitchell investigation - He states that human growth hormone is now the drug of choice for those players who can afford it because it is not detectable. He believes that Major League Baseball will always have a difficult time keeping up with drug developments because ?there?s always someone ahead of the curve who knows that he will make a quick buck.?Steve Bechler - (Feb. 2003 - Referenced regarding death during Spring Training due to use of ephedra).Vida Blue - (1983 - Referenced as part of four players with the Kansas City Royals that were arrested on cocaine related charges. Was convicted, imprisoned, and fined in the Kansas City incident. Kuhn?s suspension of him for the 1984 season, followed by a two-year probationary period that included mandatory drug testing, was later upheld in arbitration, in part based on Blue?s alleged involvement in assisting other players to procure drugs).Ricky Bones - (June 2000 - Discovery of Steroids in Florida Marlins Player?s Locker - In late June 2000, a clubhouse attendant with the Florida Marlins brought a paper bag to the club?s athletic trainers that had been found in the locker of Marlins pitcher Ricky Bones. The bag contained over two dozen syringes, six vials of injectable medications ? stanozolol and nandrolone decanoate, two anabolic steroids that are sold under the names Winstrol and Deca-Durabolin, respectively ? and a page of handwritten instructions on how to administer the drugs. Soon thereafter, the athletic trainers returned the bag and its contents toBones at his request.Alex Cabrera - (September 2000 - Shipment of Steroids to Arizona Clubhouse - Sometime in mid-September 2000, a clubhouse employee with the Arizona Diamondbacks discovered a bottle of anabolic steroids and several hundred pills in a package that had been mailed to the Diamondbacks? ballpark in Phoenix. Clubhouse attendants knew that the package had been intended for Alex Cabrera, then a player on Arizona?s major league roster, who had been searching for the package for several days. They gave the box to the team?s athletic trainer and told Cabrera that the package probably had been lost).Ken Caminiti (multiple references)Paxton Crawford (2000, 2001 - Admitted to using steroids and human growth hormone while with the Red Sox. He described an incident in which syringes he had wrapped in a towel were spilled onto the floor of the Red Sox clubhouse, which he said caused laughter among his teammates. Declined request for interview, saying that he did not ?do that stuff anymore,? that he was sorry he had used those substances in the past and that he just wanted to be left alone).Bartolo Colon (Summer of 2005 - Referenced as part of a Bill Shaikin article in the LA Times on trainer Angel ?Nao? Presinal).Juan Encarnacion - (Referenced as part of trade from Dodgers to Marlins. The PED connection stems from Lo Duca being part of the trade). Juan Gonzalez (Canadian Border Service Seizure of Steroids in Toronto, October 2001)Ferguson Jenkins (Referenced as part of how his arbitration decision has played a role in the interpretation of a player?s rights during an investigatory interview).Ryan Jorgenson (Sept. 2007 - Referenced - Cincinnati Reds catcher Ryan Jorgenson suspended for 50 games based on non-analytic evidence that he had violated the joint program). Wally Joyner (mentions trying PEDs three times before quiting).Matt Karchner (Former MLB player for the Chicago Cubs and the Chicago White Sox in 1999 and 2000. Interviewed by Mitchell investigation. Karchner said that during spring training in 1999, he observed two of his Chicago Cubs teammates inject themselves with steroids in an apartment that Karchner was sharing with them. Karchner declined to identify the players. He said that one of the players brought thesteroids to the apartment but was afraid of needles and therefore asked the second player toadminister the shot. The second player injected the first player with steroids in the buttocks andthen injected himself).Jerry Martin (1983 - Referenced as part of four players with the Kansas City Royals that were arrested on cocaine related charges - Three of the players (Martin, along with Willie Aikens, and Willie Wilson) pleaded guilty to misdemeanor possession charges and were each sentenced to a fine and one-year imprisonment (with all but three months of those sentences suspended) (see Vida Blue entry for fourth player).Mark McGwire (mentioned in regards to congressional hearings and not replying to requests for interviews)Guillermo Mota (Referenced as part of trade from Dodgers to Marlins. The PED connection stems from Lo Duca being part of the trade).Daniel Naulty - (1996 and 1999 - Former Minnesota Twin and the New York Yankee - Interviewed as part of Mitchell investigation - During his telephone interview, Naulty admitted to using steroids, on and off, for seven years, and human growth hormone for one year. Naulty used performance enhancing substances while playing in both Major League Baseball and in the minor leagues).[b]Rafael Palmeiro[/b] (Reference to request for interviews)Pascual Perez (1984 - Former Atlanta Brave - Referenced regarding arbitration decision issued in April 1984, the arbitrators overturned a one-month suspension of Atlanta Braves pitcher Pascual Perez that had been imposed by Commissioner Kuhn after Perez was released from a three-month imprisonment in theDominican Republic for possession of cocaine).Sammy Sosa (only in reference to request for interviews)Mike Spinelli (Article reference - Alan Truex, The Creatine Craze / Steroids Mortgage Future for Muscles, Glory, Hous. Chron., Aug. 11, 1998, at A1. - Former Boston Red Sox minorleague player, admitted his use of steroids and was quoted as having said: ?I just thank God I was able to get out of this . . . before it killed me.?)Mike Judd - (Former Dodger. Report references him during his time with AAA Albuquerque Dukes. - Todd Seyler, strength and conditioning coach for the Dukes mentions five Duke players using (Matt Herges, Paul Lo Duca, Jeff Williams, Mike Judd, and Ricky Stone)Ricky Stone - (Former Astro. Report references him during his time with AAA Albuquerque Dukes. - Todd Seyler, strength and conditioning coach for the Dukes mentions five Duke players using (Matt Herges, Paul Lo Duca, Jeff Williams, Mike Judd, and Ricky Stone)Willie Wilson - (1983 - Referenced as part of four players with the Kansas City Royals that were arrested on cocaine related charges - Three of the players (Wilson, along with Jerry Martin, and Willie Wilson) pleaded guilty to misdemeanor possession charges and were each sentenced to a fine and one-year imprisonment (with all but three months of those sentences suspended) (see Vida Blue entry for fourth player).

Hairston was caught twice. Cabrera was not on any list, but I have often heard it said that it was known that he was a straight steroid abuser.

[Can_of_corn]

That list should provide more then enough proof to folks that Steroids alone do not confer a great advantage to the players.

[LA2]

When Bautista was an Oriole, his team mates were Jason Grimsley, Daniel Cabrera, Buddy Groom, Javy Lopez, Raffy Palmerio, Miggi Tejada, Larry Bigbie, Jay Gibbons, Jerry Hairston, Brian Roberts, Jack Cust, and David Sequi.

What do they all have in common.

Todd Williams had it too (but he's the only one who forgot how to throw an intentional walk).

[oriolesfanstan]

He hit a combined 11 hr's in the first 4 years he played.

Then 21, then 13, then 12, then 16, then 50

During the height of the steroids era he had a 34 hr jump.

He never hit over 20 again the rest of his career. He wasn't a scrub, but if you can't even admit that year was suspicious than you lose all credibility.

LOL did somebody in this thread really try to say Brady didn't do steroids? come on people you look like you are in denial saying anything otherwise.

[weams]

That list should provide more then enough proof to folks that Steroids alone do not confer a great advantage to all the players.

I agree. Only some. Who are wonderfully gifted to begin with.

[Can_of_corn]

So, the argument is Brady magically hits 50 with the help if steroids in 96 but going into his last year with the team before he

hits FA he decides, because he's had a moral renaissance, that he doesn't want to be remembered as a cheat. He does it clean in 97 and only hits 18 forfeiting millions in the process.

You think he wasn't smart enough to realize he could have become as prolific as Bonds if he would have continued down the same path?

Here's a good read if you are really interested.

http://www.platoonadvantage.com/2012-articles/august/the-flaw.html http://www.platoonadvantage.com/2012-articles/august/the-flaw.html

Brady loves to use the "Why didn't I keep using?" defense.

Steroid use does have side effects, it is conceivable that those side effects outweighed, in his mind, the benefits of continued use.

Of course I neither know, nor care, if Brady used steroids.

[weams]

Of course I neither know, nor care, if Brady used steroids.

I don't either.

Cal says he is simply his best friend.

I guess we can go there if we want.

[weams]

Todd Williams had it too (but he's the only one who forgot how to throw an intentional walk).

You are right. I missed him.

[Can_of_corn]

I don't either.

Cal says he is simply his best friend.

I guess we can go there if we want.

To Europe? I don't think that is a good idea.

[weams]

LOL did somebody in this thread really try to say Brady didn't do steroids? come on people you look like you are in denial saying anything otherwise.

I have no knowledge about what he did. Other than the Creatine supplements that he used to swear by. The guys I talked about (other than Daniel) were all caught.