Orioles C Matt Wieters to visit Dr. James Andrews

[Es4M11]

Oh I am sure he has input. It just burns my biscuits when folks act like players with Boras as an agent have no say in their own careers.

Agreed! It seems some posters have a fundamental misunderstanding of how agency works.

Agents do not have the autonomy to make decisions for their clients unless expressly given permission to do so. The way people talk about Boras around here, you would think he owns his clients. Boras is an adviser, not a decision maker.

[gpolee]

Like I said, suspicious.

On the bright side TJ isn't a full year for non-pitchers.

It is for Miguel Sano.

[charles_goos]

Please stop responding to threads with random YouTube videos that has nothing to do with the subject (and are way too long).

Thank you.

[Jonesy10]

I don't believe that the O's margin of error is high enough to lose 2 wins and still contend.

They have arguably lost a win apiece from Hardy, Machado, and Davis already. As well as 3/5 SP's undeperforming significantly. And they have the hardest schedule in the league. But they are still in first place.

Losing ~3 wins from Hardy/Machado/Davis in the first month is more impactful than losing ~2 wins over the next 5 months too.

[Orioles4Life21]

Pujols has been playing through a damaged UCL for years. I think it's safe to assume it won't necessarily affect Matt's hitting, and the fact that he's hitting well since it started hurting doesn't mean it's not damaged. But, there's no way Matt could go and play catcher with a damaged UCL the way Pujols can play 1st.

I do think the rest/rehab approach is unlikely because Matt (and Boras) are going to want him to be completely healthy for his walk year. That's not Boras just controlling him, that's actually in Matt's best interest.

For whatever reason I'm not super concerned about this, I really like Clevenger and think a Clevenger/Joseph platoon could actually be pretty productive. We'd lose 2 wins from Wieters being about a 4 win guy to that platoon probably being 2 wins, but that's not going to break our season. With Davis getting hurt and getting him and Manny back to full health/productivity is WAY more important (and even to some degree, Hardy as well).

The problem is that right now Matt is playing like a 6 or 7 win player.

[gpolee]

Does anyone think that, if he needs the surgery, he will wait to have it and just DH the rest of the season?

Yes. That is exactly what I believe will happen - Wieters as DH for the remainder of the season, unless he breaks down or the Orioles drop way out of the playoff hunt.

[gpolee]

Party in Pig Town!

Pigtown is one word.

[mdbdotcom]

Yes. That is exactly what I believe will happen - Wieters as DH for the remainder of the season, unless he breaks down or the Orioles drop way out of the playoff hunt.

Why on earth would any player put off surgery and risk missing the opening of their walk season?

[gpolee]

Yea I agree with ya in principle.

Elbows can be very murky though. I think Matt will listen to what the doctors say, he will certainly listen to what Boras thinks or he never would have hired him and based on that will likely make an informed choice.

In all honesty if one specialist says he needs surgery and another says well...u could try to rehab it I cannot see a much benefit to Matt of putting it off. Have the surgery now and come back next year ready to go or take a chance that the rehab does not work out and end up having in it in July or something and thus potentially spilling into next year. I love Matt but at the end of the day he will do what is best for him just as any of us in his position would. Lets just hope its not the worst case scenario ....

Or, maybe Wieters wants to try to win the World Series this year - that would be the benefit he may see that others do not see.

[Can_of_corn]

Why on earth would any player put off surgery and risk missing the opening of their walk season?

Because he wants to win.

Yea, that is all I got.

Stuff like that does happen.

[lovetoaster]

Why on earth would any player put off surgery and risk missing the opening of their walk season?

Missing the opening of the season and probably taking some time to get comfortable behind the plate and at the plate. I agree, it is quite a risk, and I don't see that scenario as likely should he need surgery. My fingers are crossed that he does not have to make that decision, and that he just needs some rest.

[Dipper9]

Considering that 2015 is his walk year he might prefer to miss time in 2014.

If anything, this might benefit the Orioles in extension talks with Matt.

DD: "Matt, we love ya and want you to remain an Oriole, but look how easy your career can take a hit. We'll extend you right now for 5 years/80 million, but we want you to play out the season, at least until we are out of the race, and get your surgery in the offseason."

[Can_of_corn]

If anything, this might benefit the Orioles in extension talks with Matt.

DD: "Matt, we love ya and want you to remain an Oriole, but look how easy your career can take a hit. We'll extend you right now for 5 years/80 million, but we want you to play out the season, at least until we are out of the race, and get your surgery in the offseason."

Then get him to agree before signing and pull the contract offer during the offseason. Classic!

[gpolee]

I don't believe that the O's margin of error is high enough to lose 2 wins and still contend.

Do you realize that replacing Wieters with Clevenger/Joseph does not mean that the Orioles will win two fewer games this year?

[El Gordo]

Or, maybe Wieters wants to try to win the World Series this year - that would be the benefit he may see that others do not see.

Oh please. This is a guy who chooses Boras as an agent and asks for a 10/180 extension. Yeah he just wants to do what ever he can to help the team........... until he gets to Boston in 2016:rolleyestf: