St. Louis Cardinals trade RHP Shelby Miller & RHP Tyrell Jenkins to the Braves for OF Jason Heyward

[Greg]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>St. Louis Cardinals trade RHP Shelby Miller & RHP Tyrell Jenkins to the Braves for OF Jason Heyward & RHP Jordan Walden.</p>— St. Louis Cardinals (@Cardinals) <a href="

">November 17, 2014</a></blockquote>

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[Can_of_corn]

Hurry up internet tell me how I feel about this trade!

I don't feel like looking up the stats for myself.

[Can_of_corn]

I have an issue with Heyward. I think of who it looked like he might become instead of who he actually is.

That being said I know the Braves are desperate for pitching but this isn't much of a haul.

Maybe they are also freeing up salary.

[Orioles0615]

I just realized that Heyward and Markakis both have similar offensive numbers

[webbrick2010]

Interesting trade.. a 23 yo starting pitcher who has already completed 2 full years in the majors for 24 yo outfielder who amazingly has 5 full years in the majors.

I usually say never give up young cost controlled starting pitching, but I think Heyward is going to get better, where Miller may just be a #5 innings eater.

[weams]

Interesting trade.. a 23 yo starting pitcher who has already completed 2 full years in the majors for 24 yo outfielder who amazingly has 5 full years in the majors.

I usually say never give up young cost controlled starting pitching, but I think Heyward is going to get better, where Miller may just be a #5 innings eater.

Or neither one may really contribute under the current contracts.

[Elbren]

I have an issue with Heyward. I think of who it looked like he might become instead of who he actually is.

I just realized that Heyward and Markakis both have similar offensive numbers

Honestly, I think it's a combination of this and the fact that he's closer to FA. They just added a lot of team-controlled years out of the two guys they picked up.

Not that I dislike Heyward, but nothing about his numbers jumps out at me and says, "I need to pay this guy." Much like Markakis, it's not a matter of "Do I want to keep him." It's, "Do I really wanna pay this guy top dollar for what I'm getting out of him?"

Just my opinion, but it looks like they used a guy who they would have let walk in FA anyway and used him to fill a rotation spot for the next years.

[Malike]

I have an issue with Heyward. I think of who it looked like he might become instead of who he actually is.

That being said I know the Braves are desperate for pitching but this isn't much of a haul.

Maybe they are also freeing up salary.

I think that your last sentence is right. They get 4 years of Miller, shed 10M or whatever Heyward was going to get this year, and he's a FA after the 2015 season. They keep saying he's 25, but my guess is 35. That guy just looks old.

[Tryptamine]

The Cardinals made out like bandits. Tyrell Jenkins is a nothing special pitcher and Miller has lost nearly all the hype behind his one time top 10 prospect status. Heyward is an absolute stud.

[weams]

The Cardinals made out like bandits. Tyrell Jenkins is a nothing special pitcher and Miller has lost nearly all the hype behind his one time top 10 prospect status. Heyward is an absolute stud.

And how long to they get to keep this "Stud?"

[Babypowder]

The Cardinals made out like bandits. Tyrell Jenkins is a nothing special pitcher and Miller has lost nearly all the hype behind his one time top 10 prospect status. Heyward is an absolute stud.

4 years of Miller > 1 year of Heyward

[Can_of_corn]

4 years of Miller > 1 year of Heyward

Four years of Miller + salary relief = one year of Heyward + Pick.

The other pitchers are a wash since one is being paid what he is worth and the other isn't a prospect.

I don't see Miller as being more then a four at best going forward.

[Tryptamine]

4 years of Miller > 1 year of Heyward

Miller isn't very good. 2014: 4.54FIP 4.47xFIP 4.60SIERA.His K rate dropped by 2.5K/9 to an uninspired 6.29K/9. His walked rate increases from 2.96 to 3.59. I'll take one year of stud player when I'm trying to win a WS over 4 years of mediocre starter living off his name.

[Ruzious]

Miller isn't very good. 2014: 4.54FIP 4.47xFIP 4.60SIERA.His K rate dropped by 2.5K/9 to an uninspired 6.29K/9. His walked rate increases from 2.96 to 3.59. I'll take one year of stud player when I'm trying to win a WS over 4 years of mediocre starter living off his name.

Except Hayward hasn't performed like a stud player, and Miller has - with a 3.33 career ERA - turning 24 in Ocotober - despite going through a sophomore slump.

[Can_of_corn]

Except Hayward hasn't performed like a stud player, and Miller has - with a 3.33 career ERA - turning 24 in Ocotober - despite going through a sophomore slump.

5-6 WAR last season is stud like.

Of course a lot of that value is on defense and that makes a large percentage of fan's discount it.