Go Duke!-beat Carolina

[weemnj]

ONLY- because that would give Md a bye in the ACC tourney-God I hate to root for Duke.

DISCLAIMER----only if Md beats State today -

[Nuclear Dish]

ONLY- because that would give Md a bye in the ACC tourney-God I hate to root for Duke.

DISCLAIMER----only if Md beats State today -

Not entirely true.

If dook wins (God forbid), but GT beats BC and VT beats Clemson, it creates a 3-way tie for 3rd between UNC, BC, and MD.

In that case, you look at combined winning percentage among the tied teams. But all 3 teams are 1-1 against the other two (UNC beat BC, BC beat MD, MD beat UNC). So it goes to the teams' records against the #1 team in theleague, which, in this case, is a tie between UVA and VT. So the tiebreaking rules state that you look at the teams' combined winning percentage against both UVA and VT.

BC: 1-1 vs VT, 1-0 vs UVA = 2-1

MD: 0-1 vs VT, 0-2 vs UVA = 0-3

UNC: 0-2 vs VT, 1-0 vs UVA = 1-2

So, in that one scenario, BC is the #3, UNC is the #4, and MD is the #5.

Heading into Sunday's games, here are all the scenarios for the top 5 seeds:

Scenario #1:

UNC win/VT win/BC win = 4-way tie for 1st (UVA, UNC, VT, BC)

1. VT 2. UNC 3. BC 4. UVA 5. MD

Scenario #2:

UNC win/VT win/BC loss = 3-way tie for 1st (UVA, UNC, VT), 2-way tie for 4th (BC, MD)

1. VT 2. UNC 3. UVA 4. BC 5. MD

Scenario #3:

UNC win/VT loss/BC win = 3-way tie for 1st (UVA, UNC, BC), 2-way tie for 4th (VT, MD)

1. UNC 2. BC 3. UVA 4. VT 5. MD

Scenario #4:

UNC win/VT loss/BC loss = 2-way tie for 1st (UVA, UNC), 3-way tie for 3rd (VT, BC, MD)

1. UNC 2. UVA 3. VT 4. BC 5. MD

Scenario #5:

UNC loss/VT win/BC win = 3-way tie for 1st (UVA, VT, BC), 2-way tie for 4th (UNC, MD)

1. BC 2. VT 3. UVA 4. MD 5. UNC

Scenario #6:

UNC loss/VT win/BC loss = 2-way tie for 1st (UVA, VT), 3-way tie for 3rd (UNC, BC, MD)

1. VT 2. UVA 3. BC 4. UNC 5. MD

Scenario #7:

UNC loss/VT loss/BC win = 2-way tie for 1st (UVA, BC), 3-way tie for 3rd (UNC, VT, MD)

1. BC 2. UVA 3. VT 4. MD 5. UNC

Scenario #8:

UNC loss/VT loss/BC loss = 4-way tie for 2nd (UNC, VT, BC, MD)

1. UVA 2. VT 3. BC 4. MD 5. UNC

Go Heels!

[YardBirds13]

Scenario #8:

UNC loss/VT loss/BC loss = 4-way tie for 2nd (UNC, VT, BC, MD)

1. UVA 2. VT 3. BC 4. MD 5. UNC

As much as we don't deserve it, i like Scenario Number 8.

[YardBirds13]

BTW, I'll go on the record that Scenario #2 is what I think is going to happen. Va Tech and Carolina win at home, and BC loses on the road.

[Nuclear Dish]

BTW, I'll go on the record that Scenario #2 is what I think is going to happen. Va Tech and Carolina win at home, and BC loses on the road.

That's an intriguing scenario, because a Carolina win and a BC loss also means dook falls to the #7 seed (behind GT).

[Sports Guy]

That's an intriguing scenario, because a Carolina win and a BC loss also means dook falls to the #7 seed (behind GT).

Which means Duke/UNC in the second round.

[Nuclear Dish]

Which means Duke/UNC in the second round.

I'd gladly give up any shot at winning the ACC tournament to beat dook 3 times in the same season.

[Pedro Cerrano]

Man, this ACC tournament is going to be insane. The Thursday games will be somewhat lame as the bottom feeders are dismissed, but one Friday rolls around we could be looking at one of the best conference tournaments in the history of the sport.

[weemnj]

I took the liberty of posting Dish's truely excellent analysis to the Scout board---none of those brilliant college types had this figured correctly---Thanks for the lesson Dish

[Birds of B'more]

That home loss to Miami is looking worse and worse by the minute.

[YardBirds13]

Hey ND, I was curious about something. In the odd scenario you mentioned about the 3 way tie for third, how would they break the tie for first between UVa and VT?

Would it be our combined record against those 3 teams tied for 3rd, or something else?

Seeing we would lose that:

UVA (2-0 vs MD, 0-1 vs BC, 0-1 vs UNC) 2-2

VT (1-0 vs MD, 1-1 vs BC, 2-0 vs UNC) 4-1

[Nuclear Dish]

Hey ND, I was curious about something. In the odd scenario you mentioned about the 3 way tie for third, how would they break the tie for first between UVa and VT?

Would it be our combined record against those 3 teams tied for 3rd, or something else?

Seeing we would lose that:

UVA (2-0 vs MD, 0-1 vs BC, 0-1 vs UNC) 2-2

VT (1-0 vs MD, 1-1 vs BC, 2-0 vs UNC) 4-1

This is correct. VT wins on the tiebreaker you cited.

[rolliefingers]

That home loss to Miami is looking worse and worse by the minute.

If we get the 5 seed, we can handle them in the first round and prove that it was a fluke.

[Mashed Potatoes]

If we get the 5 seed, we can handle them in the first round and prove that it was a fluke.

Yea in this tourney I'm looking for revenge first and foremost. We're a better team than UVA, VT, BC, obviously Miami, and I want to prove it.

Also, I wouldn't root for Duke if they were playing Osama Bin Laden.

[AgentOrange]

This is correct. VT wins on the tiebreaker you cited.

I hope MD gets to play VT, I really do.