Inherited runners / scored

[WillyM]

I'm not sure this is even an official statistic, but it gets brought up pretty frequently on the broadcasts.

I'm wondering how it works when a pitcher enters with an inherited runner on base and then is removed, with the inherited runner still on base, before the inning is over.

For example, in Sunday's game, Paul Fry was brought in to pitch with a runner on base in the ninth inning.  The announcers mentioned that Fry had entered games this year with a total of 18 runners on base and only 2 of the 18 had scored.

Fry walked the only batter he faced and was promptly removed.  The runner who was on base when Fry entered the game eventually wound up scoring, though he did not score while Fry was in the game.

Is Fry credited with an inherited runner but, since the runner did not score while Fry was in the game, not charged with an inherited runner who scored?  In that case, his statistic is now 2 out of 19 inherited runners who scored.

Is Fry credited with an inherited runner and charged with an inherited runner who scored, even though the guy didn't score until after Fry had left the game?  In that case, his statistic would now be 3 out of 19 inherited runners who have scored.

Or, if the pitcher enters the game with an inherited runner on base and leaves the game with the same inherited runner still on base, does it not count in his statistic at all, which would leave Fry still with 2 out of 18 inherited runners who have scored?

My guess would be that the second alternative would apply and Fry's statistic is now 3 out of 19, but I don't know if that's right or not.

Anybody know?

 

[Legend_Of_Joey]

Fry strands an inherited runner, but gets charged with an earned run because the guy he put on base scored. Givens gets dinged for 2 inherited runners scoring.

So he goes 2-19.

[Philip]

Regardless of what the answer is, they should rework the whole question to make sure that the guy who should be penalized is. Inherited runners scoring is a really important reliever stat, but most of our beat guys completely ignore it so they can say, for instance, Castro is unscored on in 6 consecutive appearances, while cheerfully ignoring the guys he allowed to score that counted against the previous pitcher.

Givens had a scoreless appearance on Sunday, but he allowed two runs.

But he had a scoreless appearance.

[Legend_Of_Joey]

21 minutes ago, TheThinkingOriole said:

Wouldn't he in that case get nailed with a blown save?

Of course, if a win or loss wasn't in play, a pitcher is not going to necessarily get nailed with a blown save.

In the situation WillyM posted, Fry was credited with the loss, because the guy he put on was the winning run. So while his inherited runners scored stat got a boost, his overall line did not. His ERA went up and so did his loss total.

[Philip]

1 hour ago, TheThinkingOriole said:

Wouldn't he in that case get nailed with a blown save?

Of course, if a win or loss wasn't in play, a pitcher is not going to necessarily get nailed with a blown save.

Givens got a BS and a loss... and a scoreless appearance. Oy.

[Frobby]

In case you want to see the Orioles’ pitchers’ record on allowing inherited runners to score, you can find it here:  https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BAL/2019-pitching.shtml.   Scroll down to “team relief pitching” and click there.    

Fry 11%

Givens 18%

Yacobonis 25%

Everyone else is 33% or higher.   Major league average is 31%.   As a team the O’s are at 36%, 5th worst in MLB.

[LocoChris]

12 hours ago, Philip said:

Givens got a BS and a loss... and a scoreless appearance. Oy.

You can’t have a loss and a scoreless appearance. 

[Philip]

37 minutes ago, LocoChris said:

You can’t have a loss and a scoreless appearance. 

Oh, yes, you’re correct. He got a BS but hmmm Fry got the loss? Whoever owned the winning run.

[WillyM]

On ‎5‎/‎28‎/‎2019 at 9:13 AM, Frobby said:

In case you want to see the Orioles’ pitchers’ record on allowing inherited runners to score, you can find it here:  https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BAL/2019-pitching.shtml.   Scroll down to “team relief pitching” and click there.    

Fry 11%

Givens 18%

Yacobonis 25%

Everyone else is 33% or higher.   Major league average is 31%.   As a team the O’s are at 36%, 5th worst in MLB.

OK, that shows the answer to my question.  It is an official stat, and Fry is credited with 19 IR (inherited runners) and 2 IS (inherited runners scored) for an IS% of 11% (actually 10.5%).  Evidently if the runner he inherited scores after he's out of the game, it doesn't count against him.

Incidentally, Branden Kline has an even better IS% stat.  He has inherited 10 runners and allowed none of them to score.

[Camden_yardbird]

Strand rate can also be helpful here but accounts for hitters the pitcher puts on base themselves as well.  It helps paint the total picture of the ability to leave guys on base with stats like IS%.  Generally league average is around 70%.

[Frobby]

30 minutes ago, Camden_yardbird said:

Strand rate can also be helpful here but accounts for hitters the pitcher puts on base themselves as well.  It helps paint the total picture of the ability to leave guys on base with stats like IS%.  Generally league average is around 70%.

Another thing to remember, in small samples, is that IS% treats a runner on 3B nobody out situation the same way it treats a runner on 1B two out situation.   The situation in which a pitcher inherits the runners obviously can have a big impact on the likelihood of a successful outcome.