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Where do Kjerstad/Westburg fit on the 2023/24 team

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I have little to no belief Cayden Greiner will ever make it to the major leagues.

Ruzious
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Martin's probably a better prospect, but he's not a stud prospect.  He's likely a second baseman with little power in an era where teams are looking more for power in their 2nd basemen.  He's not the

DirtyBird
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It is "cherry picking" to compare Perdroia's 34 doubles in 297 Soph AB's to Martin's 39 doubles in 519 Career AB's?

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1 hour ago, waroriole said:

Oh for crying out loud. This is still about you knowing who the GM should take better than he does? Has any part of you thought to maybe back down, or just heels completely dig in?

Every Scouting outlet had Martin ahead of Kjerstad. Every dam one! 
 

He played the overslot/underslot game. I think it was a mistake . why should I change my mind? Cause you said so? GMAFB!!!!!!

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15 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

So the O's traded the #2, #103 and #133 for #8, #48 and #50. 

Same thing.

You can't expect to get similar value for MLB picks that you get for NFL picks.

No .. Who did they trade with the mouse in your pocket?

They had the selections that they already had after taking Kjerstad. It’s not the same thing.
 

Trading means you have to have a willing trade partner. 

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No .. Who did they trade with the mouse in your pocket?

They had the selections that they already had after taking Kjerstad. It’s not the same thing.
 

Trading means you have to have a willing trade partner. 

2 hours ago, Roll Tide said:

No ... but they trade out in order to recover the lost value. 
 

In the NFL, the Ravens are the perfect example. 
They want the 10th best player and have the #2 pick. They simply slide back to 6-8 slots and get extra value. The #2 overall is worth substantially more than the #10

The Orioles traded with the same team your Ravens did in your hypothetical situation.

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6 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

It's balderdash.

Ballyhoo, it's only talk.

Yeah unfortunately Apple spell correct must not have balderdash in its database. 
 

I get it .... but most of the Kool Aid drinkers will be pissing all over this draft if I turn out to be right. Wait and See!

 

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3 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

I don’t agree with the strategy. Suggestions by posters here that Martin and Kjerstad are similarly rated is boulder dash. 
 

The Orioles went below slot in order to find the additional 2 million they overpaid for their 4th and 5th rounded. 
 

The percentages say that about two thirds of the 1st round guys will be meh at best. So it will be easy to judge if their 1st rounder was the correct one very soon. 

I like the odds that Martin will be a better MLB player than Kjerstad. 
 

Bur then we will have to wait another 3-5 season to fully grade the approach.

As I said in an older thread. I don’t buy into the Elias hype. He’s done what he’s was good at IMO. That was fixing the minor league system, bringing the scouting and development staff out of the Stone Age, and fixing the international process. 
 

I didn’t like the return for Cashner. I thought he gave away Villar. I haven’t been impressed with the 2 drafts and a monkey could’ve drafted Adley Rutschman with the 1st pick.

Martin's probably a better prospect, but he's not a stud prospect.  He's likely a second baseman with little power in an era where teams are looking more for power in their 2nd basemen.  He's not the level of prospect that Rendon and Machado were.  i would have taken Lacy over Martin.  Now, if there was a Rendon or Machado available in this draft, then yeah - they should have picked the BPA, but there wasn't, so I'm fine with what they did.          

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3 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Yeah unfortunately Apple spell correct must not have balderdash in its database. 
 

I get it .... but most of the Kool Aid drinkers will be pissing all over this draft if I turn out to be right. Wait and See!

 

For the record I'm not at all sure about this draft.

I'm defending the strategy in general not this particular example.

I'm concerned they relied too heavily on projections based off a small sample size.

 

Also no way I was going to avoid making a KC reference.

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The Orioles traded with the same team your Ravens did in your hypothetical situation.

I could go and quote the Ravens draft returns and the teams. The Ravens annually draft more players than their 7 assigned selections due to their maneuvering.

The Orioles went into this draft with with a 1st, comp rd 1st, 2nd-5th. They chose at each assigned selection. They made no trades ... None. 

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2 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

Martin's probably a better prospect, but he's not a stud prospect.  He's likely a second baseman with little power in an era where teams are looking more for power in their 2nd basemen.  He's not the level of prospect that Rendon and Machado were.  i would have taken Lacy over Martin.  Now, if there was a Rendon or Machado available in this draft, then yeah - they should have picked the BPA, but there wasn't, so I'm fine with what they did.          

I'm curious what Hancock's number was.

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I could go and quote the Ravens draft returns and the teams. The Ravens annually draft more players than their 7 assigned selections due to their maneuvering.

The Orioles went into this draft with with a 1st, comp rd 1st, 2nd-5th. They chose at each assigned selection. They made no trades ... None. 

Right, because trades aren't allowed during the draft. 

Since that avenue wasn't open to Elias he did this instead.

You end up with a similar result.

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2 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

Martin's probably a better prospect, but he's not a stud prospect.  He's likely a second baseman with little power in an era where teams are looking more for power in their 2nd basemen.  He's not the level of prospect that Rendon and Machado were.  i would have taken Lacy over Martin.  Now, if there was a Rendon or Machado available in this draft, then yeah - they should have picked the BPA, but there wasn't, so I'm fine with what they did.          

He was graded with a 70 hit tool. He’s an on base machine. He will likely hit 20-25 and a ton of doubles ... wait and see!

I would’ve taken Lacy over Kjerstad. Elias would also if weren’t about the stupid underslot approach. 

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He was graded with a 70 hit tool. He’s an on base machine. He will likely hit 20-25 and a ton of doubles ... wait and see!

I would’ve taken Lacy over Kjerstad. Elias would also if weren’t about the stupid underslot approach. 

I can't get over how similar his college stats were to DJ Stewart.

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4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Right, because trades aren't allowed during the draft. 

Since that avenue wasn't open to Elias he did this instead.

You end up with a similar result.

Wait and see

They sacrificed in round one to bet on low hit percentage High Schoolers.

 

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