So...uh, when does free agency start?

[Sydnor]

7 minutes ago, DrinkinWithFermi said:

This is a pretty meaningless data point unless you expect it to become a common occurrence.

And the implication that 3rd round picks are so valueless that it's no big deal to sarifice one for a mid-rotation starter when a bunch of other fairly comparable mid-rotation starters are available that don't cost a pick seems like a weird thing for an Orioles fan to say since some of the Orioles' best prospects were drafted in the third round or later- Mayo, Ortiz, Povich, Stowers, etc.

For the Orioles, the penalty for signing a player who was tendered a qualifying offer is not a 3rd round pick. The penalty is the Orioles third-highest selection, which would be the competitive balance round B pick that the Orioles will receive after the second round. The Red Sox will receive a pick after the 4th round regardless of who signs Eovaldi. I am not overly concerned about losing the competitive balance round B pick for the right player, but I don’t think that player is Eovaldi.

[waroriole]

26 minutes ago, DrinkinWithFermi said:

This is a pretty meaningless data point unless you expect it to become a common occurrence.

And the implication that 3rd round picks are so valueless that it's no big deal to sarifice one for a mid-rotation starter when a bunch of other fairly comparable mid-rotation starters are available that don't cost a pick seems like a weird thing for an Orioles fan to say since some of the Orioles' best prospects were drafted in the third round or later- Mayo, Ortiz, Povich, Stowers, etc.

I’m just saying the 3rd rounder wouldn’t stop me from making the deal. If we can get Taillon and not give up a pick, great if they think he’s the better choice to succeed. If they think Eovaldi is better than Taillon, I’m not changing my target because of a 3rd round pick. 

[emmett16]

49 minutes ago, waroriole said:

I’m just saying the 3rd rounder wouldn’t stop me from making the deal. If we can get Taillon and not give up a pick, great if they think he’s the better choice to succeed. If they think Eovaldi is better than Taillon, I’m not changing my target because of a 3rd round pick. 

I think that’s my feeling this year as well.  I hope Mike gets his guy regardless if a pick associated or not.  

[Moose Milligan]

I wouldn’t be excited about Eovaldi. A guy that has nasty raw stuff but never seems to be as good as his inherent talent would lead you to believe. 

[owknows]

7 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

I have never been for spending crazy money for the most part.  

I know.. I was just ribbing you a little.

By the way....  I have noticed a significant shift toward warm and gracious interaction in you, and I wanted to compliment you for it. Not sure if it is something you're doing intentionally. But it is certainly something you're doing.

In any case, at the risk of sounding unmanly... a tip of the hat to you sir.

[Sports Guy]

7 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

I wouldn’t be excited about Eovaldi. A guy that has nasty raw stuff but never seems to be as good as his inherent talent would lead you to believe. 

I agree. But there are some things to Iike.

He throws a ton of strikes and has a stellar walk rate.

He misses a lot of bats and gets a good amount of Ks.

His ERA has been below 4 in 4 of the last 5 years iirc.

His statcast numbers were meh and he doesn’t throw a ton of innings but he has “I’m better than it seems” upside to him.  

He had some injuries in 2022 but I think he could be intriguing. The question is, what is his market and what is his expected contract?  MLBTR thought he would get a 2 year deal citing the injuries in 2022 as a reason. Fangraphs crowdsourcing had him at 2 years and Ben Clemens had him at 3/51.

I think if you can get him for 2 years, you do it.  If you can get him for 3/50 or so and that’s the best you can do, I think you do it.

Anything really more than that and I probably walk.  

[Snutchy]

6 hours ago, owknows said:

I know.. I was just ribbing you a little.

By the way....  I have noticed a significant shift toward warm and gracious interaction in you, and I wanted to compliment you for it. Not sure if it is something you're doing intentionally. But it is certainly something you're doing.

In any case, at the risk of sounding unmanly... a tip of the hat to you sir.

He's just waiting for his moment to pull the rug. 

[emmett16]

2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

I agree. But there are some things to Iike.

He throws a ton of strikes and has a stellar walk rate.

He misses a lot of bats and gets a good amount of Ks.

His ERA has been below 4 in 4 of the last 5 years iirc.

His statcast numbers were meh and he doesn’t throw a ton of innings but he has “I’m better than it seems” upside to him.  

He had some injuries in 2022 but I think he could be intriguing. The question is, what is his market and what is his expected contract?  MLBTR thought he would get a 2 year deal citing the injuries in 2022 as a reason. Fangraphs crowdsourcing had him at 2 years and Ben Clemens had him at 3/51.

I think if you can get him for 2 years, you do it.  If you can get him for 3/50 or so and that’s the best you can do, I think you do it.

Anything really more than that and I probably walk.  

I think that’s where I’m at.  3/45 to 3/51 I’d do but nothing higher.  I’d aim for 2/35.  Imagine we still have to overpay a bit.  2 years for a 33yo in Waltimore could potentially net another decent contract. 

[Moose Milligan]

3 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

I agree. But there are some things to Iike.

He throws a ton of strikes and has a stellar walk rate.

He misses a lot of bats and gets a good amount of Ks.

His ERA has been below 4 in 4 of the last 5 years iirc.

His statcast numbers were meh and he doesn’t throw a ton of innings but he has “I’m better than it seems” upside to him.  

He had some injuries in 2022 but I think he could be intriguing. The question is, what is his market and what is his expected contract?  MLBTR thought he would get a 2 year deal citing the injuries in 2022 as a reason. Fangraphs crowdsourcing had him at 2 years and Ben Clemens had him at 3/51.

I think if you can get him for 2 years, you do it.  If you can get him for 3/50 or so and that’s the best you can do, I think you do it.

Anything really more than that and I probably walk.  

You bring up some good points.  I'd be okay with 2 years, depending on the dollars.  I'd be really, really hesitant to go for 3 years.

I can't believe I am saying this, but with the way this team coaxed performances from guys like Voth and Kremer this past year, it gives me a bit of hope that Eovaldi could reach some new levels that he hasn't previously attained.

[Sports Guy]

31 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

You bring up some good points.  I'd be okay with 2 years, depending on the dollars.  I'd be really, really hesitant to go for 3 years.

I can't believe I am saying this, but with the way this team coaxed performances from guys like Voth and Kremer this past year, it gives me a bit of hope that Eovaldi could reach some new levels that he hasn't previously attained.

Well the hope that the HR rate drops is real imo.

[owknows]

55 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

You bring up some good points.  I'd be okay with 2 years, depending on the dollars.  I'd be really, really hesitant to go for 3 years.

I can't believe I am saying this, but with the way this team coaxed performances from guys like Voth and Kremer this past year, it gives me a bit of hope that Eovaldi could reach some new levels that he hasn't previously attained.

Wildcard flavored Kool-Aid for everyone...

[Frobby]

I’m interested to see if the O’s make any moves in advance of the Winter Meetings.  I reminded myself today that in the week preceding the December 2014 Winter Meetings, Nick Markakis, Nelson Cruz and Andrew Miller all signed with new teams on three consecutive days, December 3-5.  Last year’s Jordan Lyles signing was reported on December 2, though it didn’t become official until Lyles took his physical after the labor stoppage ended in March.  I’m sure some deals will happen this week, though not necessarily involving the Orioles.  

[Just Regular]

The market looks like it has guaranteed Clevinger basically Jordan Lyles money.    He looked awful in October, but is someone where you might hope getting farther past a TJ a little more might come back.

This single transaction doesn't raise my "oh my gosh, we aren't going to get anyone" alarm any.

 

[Roll Tide]

Quote

The Orioles surprised everybody and made a run at the postseason in 2022. Although their efforts fell short, their young roster displayed plenty of promise. Following a long rebuild, the O’s may finally be ready to compete. And they can enhance their roster in MLB free agency.

The Orioles are reportedly interested in Nathan Eovaldi. Eovaldi, a former Boston Red Sox’ pitcher, is a an All-Star caliber right-hander. He is someone that could certainly improve the team’s pitching staff.

Baltimore could also make a play for one of the top-tier shortstops on the open market. Trea Turner and Carlos Correa are options for the team.

If the Orioles can add veteran star-power to their promising young core, the playoffs will be within reach in 2023.

https://clutchpoints.com/mlb-free-agency-orioles-and-2-other-dark-horse-teams

[Roll Tide]

On 11/23/2022 at 2:32 AM, owknows said:

I know.. I was just ribbing you a little.

By the way....  I have noticed a significant shift toward warm and gracious interaction in you, and I wanted to compliment you for it. Not sure if it is something you're doing intentionally. But it is certainly something you're doing.

In any case, at the risk of sounding unmanly... a tip of the hat to you sir.

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