You can dismiss it as "one bad game"...but it's very telling.

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, e16bball said:

That’s a bit odd, because it’s basically the exactly same group as last year, and they were historically good at hitting in the clutch in 2023. Do you think they’ve all just gotten bad at that skill this year?

Or do you think they just miss Adam Frazier, the King of Clutch, that much?

I think it's not a repeatable skill for the vast majority of players.

Which is what some of us were telling folks last year.

[HowAboutThat]

2 hours ago, Roy Firestone said:

The Orioles have serious pitching problems....thats not breaking news...but the truth is besides Burnes, G-rod, and maybe Kremer and Albert...this team has virtually nothing else in the pitching department..Absolutely no depth....The Orioles have somehow gotten by for most of the first half of the season with stop gap pitching in the back of the rotation, and an extremely questionable bullpen.Sure. every team has bad games, and so do top pitchers...it happens. But Povich , though he had some decent outings, is NOT Major League ready and should be sent down for Chayce McDermott. McDermott's numbers at Norfolk dont dazzle either, he too has severe command issues...but we have to see "what we have" before the deadline. The Orioles may need 2 veteran arms to provide depth in thee rotation...and definitely need an arm or two in the pen. Going into today, incredibly,the Orioles had the second best ERA in the majors...but it's been a very deceptive stat. Our pen is grossly overworked and the starters cant afford another injury to the rotation. I'd move Irvin too. He's been awful..maybe he can work on some things in Norfolk...but the Orioles have little or no options after McDermott....not a single starter at Norfolk has impressed. I think you'll see major moves at the deadline. We could see Mountcastle traded..and or Hays...Stowers, Norby, and others will go too... I wouldn't trade Kjerstad, Mayo or Basalo...but anyone else in the minors  and some veterans is a consideration. Povich was awful today, from literally the first batter...Orioles need to send him down and see if McDermott is any kind of option. I kind of think he's not  SOS.

Oh, piffle…

[HowAboutThat]

The way, I decide if a thread has gone off the rails is to answer the question, “is this starting to sound like Pinstripe Alley?”

if you want some laughs, go read some of their comments.

But don’t come here and make the same comments.

Roy, I know nothing about your status, I only know that you see demons behind every tree. Every strike or ball or hit or error is a harbinger of a doom that will ruin our carefully crafted season.

I appreciate your opinion and enthusiasm, but friend, one catastrophic game is not “telling.”

We have questionable players, but we’ve had them all year and we have the third fewest losses in MLB.

Mike will do something big, something meh, or nothing at all(which is a distinct and unpleasant possibility ) and the Os will do what they do.

But if the Os ONLY go .500 the rest of the way, instead of .623, we still win 93 games.

So relax.

 

[Roy Firestone]

11 minutes ago, HowAboutThat said:

The way, I decide if a thread has gone off the rails is to answer the question, “is this starting to sound like Pinstripe Alley?”

if you want some laughs, go read some of their comments.

But don’t come here and make the same comments.

Roy, I know nothing about your status, I only know that you see demons behind every tree. Every strike or ball or hit or error is a harbinger of a doom that will ruin our carefully crafted season.

I appreciate your opinion and enthusiasm, but friend, one catastrophic game is not “telling.”

We have questionable players, but we’ve had them all year and we have the third fewest losses in MLB.

Mike will do something big, something meh, or nothing at all(which is a distinct and unpleasant possibility ) and the Os will do what they do.

But if the Os ONLY go .500 the rest of the way, instead of .623, we still win 93 games.

So relax.

 

I think I am relaxed.The thing is though, I have a ton of passion for this franchise(as every one does on this page)...I just manifest it differently.It's all good, some people dont like it...it's fine. I just love the Orioles and want them to win EVERY game. Of course, thats crazy to think that, but I do.I didnt realize that people would take my post and some would turn it into some sort of opinion page on me. I just offered my opinion.Thats all. 

[eddie83]

This is baseball in 2024. Everything is relative.  
 

Look around the sport. 

[jabba72]

McDermott had an absolute clunker today as well. Only getting one out before he got pulled.

[HowAboutThat]

29 minutes ago, Roy Firestone said:

I think I am relaxed.The thing is though, I have a ton of passion for this franchise(as every one does on this page)...I just manifest it differently.It's all good, some people dont like it...it's fine. I just love the Orioles and want them to win EVERY game. Of course, thats crazy to think that, but I do.I didnt realize that people would take my post and some would turn it into some sort of opinion page on me. I just offered my opinion.Thats all. 

Roy, by definition the things you say don’t indicate someone who is relaxed, but someone who is completely frantic.

I want them to win every game too, and when Hyde does something dumb with the bullpen, which is almost daily, I am annoyed. When the lineup is stupid, I am annoyed. When another day dawns without a wonderful trade having been made, I am annoyed. Hyde should be replaced with a manager who will do all the right things and none of the stupid things.

But despite all the flaws, we have the third fewest losses in major league baseball, we are better prepared for October than anybody except possibly Cleveland, and remember what Adam said, “sometimes you suck.“ today we sucked. Oh well.

So yes, relax. 

[Frobby]

3 hours ago, dtk9119 said:

In addition to needing SPing, the stat I saw about them being 2nd to last in MLB producing w/ the bases loaded and less than 2 outs is very telling (ironically the A's were last). I don't care if they are "leading" MLB in all of these offensive stats. The eye test says this team does not hit consistently in the clutch. They pile up a lot of garbage time runs like today, but when it's clutch time it’s a big fat choke. This is not the makings of a WS contender.

I can’t find the stat you are citing, but the O’s are above average in RISP situations, in RISP situations with two outs, in high leverage situations, with a runner on 3B and less than two out, and with the bases loaded.  All of those are more important to me than some cherry-picked “bases loaded, less than two outs” stat I can’t find that has to be in some minuscule number of at bats (the O’s have only had 69 PA total with the bases loaded, so the less than two out subset is even smaller than that).  

[DocJJ]

Today was just additional confirmation of what everyone has known for a long time: We desperately need both starting and relief pitching.  (And also for some strange reason we absolutely suck with the bases loaded).

 

We kind of needed starting pitching before Bradish went down.  Now, we desperately need starting pitching- possibly 2 decent starters (I'm still worried about Kremer even though he's been pretty good this year overall).  We need 2 good relievers too.  Ouch.  That's a lot of pitchers to need.  

 

Today was just a stark reminder of that.  Povich certainly looks like he needs some more time at Norfolk.  And don't forget, this was the A's lineup- the 29th in the MLB...

 

Sadly, we don't have any pitchers in the minors who can help.  I'm not sure McDermott will ever have enough control to be succsssful and he's nowhere near ready for the MLB. 

 

 

 

 

[Moose Milligan]

I can dismiss it as one bad game and I will.

Povich certainly has issues but you can see where he'd be pretty good if he had some command.  And he's shown flashes of having good command for some stretches.

The book on him is very far from being written and I'm not so cavalier to think that the Orioles can fix anyone, but I just want to see some improvement as he goes along for the rest of the season.  Keep in mind, he shouldn't be here now...had things gone to plan, we'd have Bradish and/or Wells/Means in the rotation.  

So while I was disappointed with how he looked today, I am willing to give him a little bit of a leash before passing judgement.  His flaws are obvious but I do believe they are fixable.

But to go so completely overboard about this being some sort of indictment on the state of the team is a bit  absurd.  I'd say this to anyone who wrote that OP, but @Roy Firestonec'mon dude.  We've overtaken the Yankees for first place without Bautista, Means, Wells and Bradish.  We're still on pace to win over 100 games.  

I'm not going to ignore some of the problems this team has right now and I do expect Elias to make some significant deals at the deadline to address the rotation and the bullpen.  

But let's stop acting like the game today was some sort of tell-tale sign about the state of the team.  This board is full of educated baseball fans who have been watching for decades, everyone here should know that a team -no matter how good they are- can get blown out from time to time.

[Moose Milligan]

I put on my @DrungoHazewoodhat and looked up the 1927 Yankees because they're always the first team I think of when I think of a truly great baseball team.

First of all, I wasn't aware of the run differential, although I shouldn't have been surprised; 975 runs scored, 599 allowed.

So they didn't get blown out very much...if at all.  But they did have one game on July 9th where they lost 14-4 to the Tigers, the second game of a doubleheader in which they won the first game 19-7.  They also lost 14-8 on August 20th to the Indians.

The 1983 Orioles lost 16-8 on May 4th to the Angels.  I wonder if Roy went apoplectic that night, too.

[EddeeEddee]

Elias knows he has his work cut out for him.  Even in April it was clear the bullpen needed help.  It looked like the discovery of Suarez and the return of Wells might fill the need in the bullpen, not the rotation.  Well, Wells is done at least until next season and Suarez is in the rotation.  And then Coulombe goes down.  

I have confidence Elias will make some moves, probably rental type moves, though I'm crossing my fingers for a blockbuster trade for Skubal and a couple of impact bullpen arms.  

Even if we end up with all rentals we may need an extra lower impact starter just in case someone else gets hurt again.  It depends on how much confidence the front office has on Povich and other minor leaguers going forward.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:

I put on my @DrungoHazewoodhat and looked up the 1927 Yankees because they're always the first team I think of when I think of a truly great baseball team.

First of all, I wasn't aware of the run differential, although I shouldn't have been surprised; 975 runs scored, 599 allowed.

So they didn't get blown out very much...if at all.  But they did have one game on July 9th where they lost 14-4 to the Tigers, the second game of a doubleheader in which they won the first game 19-7.  They also lost 14-8 on August 20th to the Indians.

The 1983 Orioles lost 16-8 on May 4th to the Angels.  I wonder if Roy went apoplectic that night, too.

If only OH existed in 1983 when the Orioles had two 7 game losing streaks and ended up losing the first game of the ALCS and World Series.

There would have been posts on how Eddie Murray isn't a clutch player.

[Explosivo]

8 hours ago, Roy Firestone said:

Hey 'Can' ..I don't need defending. And I never have considered myself a "celebrity" here. Major or minor.... I'm just an Oriole fan. That's all.

But you use your full name for a reason, right? You could easily just be Ron Goodyear, right?

[Satyr3206]

One game doth not make a Season.