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Now this is my first year back watching baseball after many years--so I have no context from years past in this division. Are the Jays really hot? Are are they just mediocre, who beat an inexperienced new pitcher?

Won 7 out of last 10 I think. Their offense is a lot better these days, especially in TOR.

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Won 7 out of last 10 I think. Their offense is a lot better these days, especially in TOR.

Yep, they are getting hot with the bats and that is not good for us or anyone else who plays them. They have that magic Canadian B-12 up there.

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Won 7 out of last 10 I think. Their offense is a lot better these days, especially in TOR.

Thanks for the follow-up. I agree with oriolesmagic9...beatdowns on the scale of what we did out west are definitely in order here.

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I was using this as my basis...

Late/Close*:

*The seventh inning or later with the batting team ahead by one, tied, or has the tying run on base, at bat or on deck.

AVG: .244 (19-T)

OBP: .344 (22-T)

SLG: .358 (15)

OPS: .701 (18-T)

ERA: 4.33 (24)

WHIP: 1.35 (20)

RUNS: 30 (29)

9th Inning Or Later:

AVG: .277 (30)

OBP: .359 (30)

SLG: .415 (27)

OPS: .774 (29)

ERA: 4.07 (25)

WHIP: 1.45 (28)

RUNS: 21 (28-T)

May:

AVG: .276 (25)

OBP: .341 (24-T)

SLG: .463 (27)

OPS: .804 (27)

ERA: 5.18 (27)

WHIP: 1.43 (24-T)

RUNS: 89 (24)

And you know what's the worst thing about this? We have the 2nd best defense based on FPCT and our offense is #1 in runs scored in the Late/Close split with 42 runs, and 2nd in OPS with .839.

In the 9th inning or later, we are 6th with 23 runs (but 15th in OPS with a .665 mark).

In May we are T-13th in runs (79) but 7th in OPS (.769).

The offense and defense have done enough to win games, but the pitching is in shambles and is currently easily one of the worst units in the majors.

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You found some nice cherry picked numbers but it doesn't back up your claim. Our recently declining bullpen has brought us from one of the better units in the game to basically an average group.

I was using this as my basis...

Late/Close*:

*The seventh inning or later with the batting team ahead by one, tied, or has the tying run on base, at bat or on deck.

AVG: .244 (19-T)

OBP: .344 (22-T)

SLG: .358 (15)

OPS: .701 (18-T)

ERA: 4.33 (24)

WHIP: 1.35 (20)

RUNS: 30 (29)

9th Inning Or Later:

AVG: .277 (30)

OBP: .359 (30)

SLG: .415 (27)

OPS: .774 (29)

ERA: 4.07 (25)

WHIP: 1.45 (28)

RUNS: 21 (28-T)

May:

AVG: .276 (25)

OBP: .341 (24-T)

SLG: .463 (27)

OPS: .804 (27)

ERA: 5.18 (27)

WHIP: 1.43 (24-T)

RUNS: 89 (24)

And you know what's the worst thing about this? We have the 2nd best defense based on FPCT and our offense is #1 in runs scored in the Late/Close split with 42 runs, and 2nd in OPS with .839.

In the 9th inning or later, we are 6th with 23 runs (but 15th in OPS with a .665 mark).

In May we are T-13th in runs (79) but 7th in OPS (.769).

The offense and defense have done enough to win games, but the pitching is in shambles and is currently easily one of the worst units in the majors.

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I apologize.

Given out too much rep of late - just wanted to give props where due!

And this gives me probably the best chance I'll get to use the "Apology accepted, Captain Needa clip, even if the spirit of the clip is not the same as the post ;)

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