The Pessimistic View

[Can_of_corn]

He was talking about the drafting well part.

[Redskins Rick]

He was talking about the drafting well part.

I like the 2013 Harvey draft and Cisco too.

Hard to judge the 2014 and 2015 drafts, kinda of early yet

Of course, that just me and my opinion.

[Ripken]

He was talking about the drafting well part.

That and we don't plug holes. Starting pitcher and COF, for example.

[Redskins Rick]

That and we don't plug holes. Starting pitcher and COF, for example.

Who would you have signed for either spots?

[Bahama O's Fan]

Who would you have signed for either spots?

This is my issue. I just don't know how else to have fixed it. I can't go by what we could have/should have traded for because it's a variable depending on the team. The only way I think we could have fixed the SP would have been to forget Davis and sign Price.

[Redskins Rick]

This is my issue. I just don't know how else to have fixed it. I can't go by what we could have/should have traded for because it's a variable depending on the team. The only way I think we could have fixed the SP would have been to forget Davis and sign Price.

Sorry, there is no way that I can justify paying a guy who plays every 5th day, 31 million.

of course, that is just me.

[Bahama O's Fan]

Sorry, there is no way that I can justify paying a guy who plays every 5th day, 31 million.

of course, that is just me.

Don't know if I can justify it, but he could end up being closer to "worth his contract" than Davis.

[Redskins Rick]

Don't know if I can justify it' date=' but he could end up being closer to "worth his contract" than Davis.[/quote']

If I have to pick between just those two, I would bet Davis will end up the better value, after its all said and down, and we are 7 years down the road, comparing WARs, etc.

[Barnaby Graves]

Too many variables to predict results these days. It is not like back in the days of baseball dynasties. When the Orioles were winning in the late 60s and 70s or the Oakland As in the 1970s, those types of teams did not have the problems of free agency and huge budgetary issues. But now, teams can and do go from last to first almost every season. This year, I am excited, but then I am always excited! Who knows? Maybe Kevin Gausman sets the world on fire? Maybe Tyler Wilson turns into a Mike Boddicker. Maybe Dylan Bundy stays healthy and turns into a quality contributor. Maybe Jonathan Schoop turns into a Robinson Cano. Or Matt has a walk off year that is amazing. Or you could have injuries to key players, Chris Davis could hit under .200 and hit 25 homers, Tillman could pitch badly again, Zach could lose his sinker. Any of these are possible. Which is what makes playing the games both necessary and makes a baseball season a unique journey every single year.

I don't see it that way. Manny, Schoop and Gausman are not at their peak yet. Davis, Jones, Britton and Wieters are in their prime and Wieters should be healthy all year. Trumbo is bound to be better than Parades. Tillman has a good chance of rebounding at 28 years old.

Two rookies that seem to have a lot of up side is Givens and Mike Wright. Wright went 9-1 with a 2.22 ERA at Norfolk. He is learning as the major league level but he normally struggle before he improves.

There is a lot to look forward to this season. And I am sure their will be players that surprise.

Hope springs eternal.

I'm happy to be wrong, and could easily be. "On paper" only means so much.

The record you predict for any team any year comes down to how you project the players, and I try to guestimate by thinking that some guys are gonna be near their theoretical upsides, some guys are gonna tread water, some guys are gonna be disappointments. Everyone in the rotation has had their moments, so it's easy and attractive to follow the mindset of "Tillman could be great again, Gonzo will be very good, Gausman will mature and improve, Ubaldo has done some amazing things in the past, the 5th starter could be a huge surprise."

Hell you could be like the Nationals saying, my god, LOOK at our pitching, there's no way we don't win 180 games.

Don't you guys feel like baseball predictions are almost useless anyway? I know I sure do :laughlol: Especially after 2012. I don't recall anyone predicting Taylor Teagarden would have 7 hits, 3 of them getting game-winning extra-inning RBIs.

[Frobby]

Core guys.

Let's see the 2012 Roster and those guys are still here in 2016:

Gonzo

Tilly

Britton

ODay

Matusz

Wieters

Davis

Flaherty

JJ

Manny

In 2013, you added Schoop, who is now an anchor position.

Your list is missing a player who has been rather important over the last four years.

[OFFNY]

o

Jimenez threw a lot of pitches for only 3.33 innings.

SOURCE: Roch Kubato

UBALDO JIMENEZ GARCIA O(vs. TWINS, 3/12) O[spring Training]

IP:. 3.33

H:.. 4 )(4 Singles)

R:O 1

BB: 1

SO: 2

Pitches: 61 (37 Strikes, 24 Balls)

PITCHES BY INNING

****************

30 (17 Strikes, 13 Balls)

16 (10 Strikes, 61 Balls)

12 (51 Strikes, 71 Balls)

31 (21 Strikes, 11 Balls) *

* Jimenez recorded 1 out before departing in the 4th inning.

https://twitter.com/masnRoch?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[bobmc]

o

Jimenez threw a lot of pitches for only 3.33 innings.

SOURCE: Roch Kubato

UBALDO JIMENEZ GARCIA O(vs. TWINS, 3/12) O[spring Training]

IP:. 3.33

H:.. 4 )(4 Singles)

R:O 1

BB: 1

SO: 2

Pitches: 61 (37 Strikes, 24 Balls)

PITCHES BY INNING

****************

30 (17 Strikes, 13 Balls)

16 (10 Strikes, 61 Balls)

12 (51 Strikes, 71 Balls)

31 (21 Strikes, 11 Balls) *

* Jimenez recorded 1 out before departing in the 4th inning.

https://twitter.com/masnRoch?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Just working on being less consistently inconsistent :slytf:

[OFFNY]

o

Ubaldo Jimenez, 3/17 O(vs. the Red Sox' AAA Team)

5 Innings

1 Hit

1 Run

1 Walk

7 Strikeouts

SOURCE: Roch Kubato

https://twitter.com/masnRoch?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[weams]

Just working on being less consistently inconsistent :slytf:

The magic of Ubaldo is his inconsistency. He's a tricky sort of pitcher.

[bobmc]

The magic of Ubaldo is his inconsistency. He's a tricky sort of pitcher.

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