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Don't worry about pissing me off, Dan already got me going.

I don't like the whole argument of "X knows more about Y then I do so I can't criticize him."

Gausman did as well as anyone else last season without a consistent breaking ball.

Do you think Tillman or Norris could have done better yesterday?

For that matter do you think Norris has 3 MLB pitches right now?

You can criticize all you want. X equal Y I wasn't talking about you. I was talking

about me. A lot of folks that post have for more knowledge on baseball than I do.

As for Bud I don't know. Maybe not.

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At what point can I continue commenting on the O's apparent lack of a systemic development strategy (not to mention burgeoning MiL talent...) without hearing from Drungo about Palmer's once-upon-a-time in the 'pen?

It's Drungo man. You're going to hear from him whether you want to or not ;)

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Because Tillman and Norris are not any good this year.

We want to win games right?

You honestly thought after what Tillman has done the last 3 years and Norris lately they were going to be dropped after a 5 inning start from a kid coming off an injury?

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You honestly thought after what Tillman has done the last 3 years and Norris lately they were going to be dropped after a 5 inning start from a kid coming off an injury?

No, I didn't think that.

I hoped that.

I am not naive enough to think that Buck is going to go with the youngster over the under performing vets.

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You ever get that feeling in the pit of your stomach when you think you post something worthwhile and then notice Drungo or Stotle is quoting you?

Yeah and then Drungo will say something about Ace "Peanut" McWiggleson who played in the Deadwood League in 1870 and how he completely disproves my point.

You honestly thought after what Tillman has done the last 3 years and Norris lately they were going to be dropped after a 5 inning start from a kid coming off an injury?

Norris lately? He's still mediocre. Tillman has been good the last 3 years... but this year is not the last 3 years. And it's during a time when even the ballboy has 10.0 K/9. These guys are killing us.

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He'll be 25 in January. With this treatment he'll get one FA contract and the career will be over. Pretty incredible.

Gausman hasn't been that good. He can't throw a breaking pitch over or effectively (curve or slider) to save his life and he doesn't get K's. That we should kick Norris to the side for Gausman is a viable argument but Gausman hasn't wowed anybody to this point and isn't owed time and/or early free agency for being mediocre.

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To replace the myriad debris clogging the rotation.

I mean are we going to use this kid or not? What is the plan, have him in the rotation by age 27?

Plan A is Tillman and Norris this year, Gausman in 2016 (with the occasional spot start or injury fill-in). Usually you can count on a major injury to open up a spot but that hasn't happened. The question is how bad do Tillman and Norris have to be for Plan B to go into effect.

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Gausman hasn't been that good. He can't throw a breaking pitch over or effectively (curve or slider) to save his life and he doesn't get K's. That we should kick Norris to the side for Gausman is a viable argument but Gausman hasn't wowed anybody to this point and isn't owed time and/or early free agency for being mediocre.

How much of that is due to our handling? We have constantly shuttled him back and forth. We haven't kept him on the farm long enough to really develop a breaking ball, while not really keeping him on the big league squad either.

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Gausman hasn't been that good. He can't throw a breaking pitch over or effectively (curve or slider) to save his life and he doesn't get K's. That we should kick Norris to the side for Gausman is a viable argument but Gausman hasn't wowed anybody to this point and isn't owed time and/or early free agency for being mediocre.

Lowest FIP on the staff last year.

Better SO/9 than Chen, Gonzalez or Tillman.

Lowest HR/9 on staff, for a team built around defense.

Three years younger than the next youngest starter on the staff.

No one "owes" him anything. I just wish the organization showed some interest in actually putting him in a position to grow at the major league level.

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How much of that is due to our handling? We have constantly shuttled him back and forth. We haven't kept him on the farm long enough to really develop a breaking ball' date=' while not really keeping him on the big league squad either.[/quote']

No idea. I heard forever that his slider would come around and we should just be patient. Some of the same people criticizing his handling now stated this. It never did. It was so bad they just gave up. The curve ball looks better at times but no command. Seems to me we've done a good job with quite few pitchers at the ML and Mil level the past few years so I'm not sure sure we're all that inept with pitchers as people seem to think we are. Sounds like the Orioles want to get him ML and Mil time, so perhaps he's working on his curve more at the Mil level.

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No idea. I heard forever that his slider would come around and we should just be patient. Some of the same people criticizing his handling now stated this. It never did. It was so bad they just gave up. The curve ball looks better at times but no command. Seems to me we've done a good job with quite few pitchers at the ML and Mil level the past few years so I'm not sure sure we're all that inept with pitchers as people seem to think we are. Sounds like the Orioles want to get him ML and Mil time, so perhaps he's working on his curve more at the Mil level.

It's a good thing letting him start a game for the big club didn't screw up that nice run that Mike Wright, Bud Norris, and Chris Tillman were able to put together around him. It's always a pleasure watching those three go out there and consistently execute. Hopefully Gausman will learn to be that effective when given his next opportunity...

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