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I agree that his current position as closer won't greatly effect his value, but you have to think that moving a guy like that from the rotation to the pen starts some head scratching. Does he have an injury? Does he have makeup problems? Is something going on here we don't know about?

You would think there would have to be. Because if he's healthy, and they value him as much as a guy like Bedard, there is no way they would move him out of the rotation. So, either there is something else like you suggest...or, the Phils are not high on this guy.

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I agree that his current position as closer won't greatly effect his value, but you have to think that moving a guy like that from the rotation to the pen starts some head scratching. Does he have an injury? Does he have makeup problems? Is something going on here we don't know about?

Uhh, he punched his wife in the face in the middle of a busy city street with people all around. I'd say he has some makeup issues.

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Uhh, he punched his wife in the face in the middle of a busy city street with people all around. I'd say he has some makeup issues.

Oh yea, it's that guy. You'd probably get some kind of a discount just because of that, then you throw in the bullpen thing and there's no way you get Bedard value out of him.

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Oh yea, it's that guy. You'd probably get some kind of a discount just because of that, then you throw in the bullpen thing and there's no way you get Bedard value out of him.

This is my thinking as well...It is a perfect storm...Offer Ray, Penn and Bradford and see if they bite.

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I never said he would market him as a closer.

But since he was moved to the pen, teams may not give up as much for him as they would have if he was still starting.

I'm not buying the notion that this bullpen stint has downgraded Myers' trade value.

And I *definitely* don't buy the notion that the Phils themselves have downgraded Myers' trade value.

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If Penn were healthy, this would make a lot of sense. But...

Well, maybe they wouldn't want Penn BUT his injury isn't all that serious so maybe they would take him anyway.

Now, maybe not and then you would have to ammend the deal but it is obvious they are having pen issues and Ray would obviously be the centerpiece in the deal.

You have to be calling them now.

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I'm not buying the notion that this bullpen stint has downgraded Myers' trade value.

And I *definitely* don't buy the notion that the Phils themselves have downgraded Myers' trade value.

Okay but let me ask you: Do you think the incident in Boston last year hurts his value?

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I'm not buying the notion that this bullpen stint has downgraded Myers' trade value.

And I *definitely* don't buy the notion that the Phils themselves have downgraded Myers' trade value.

Fair enough on the second part, but you seriously don't think that bizarrely moving your best pitcher to the bullpen for no good reason, doesn't hurt his trade value? Every team in the league is going "Sure, I love his arm, but...what the hell? Something must be wrong with him."

That's why his trade value goes down. Not because he's any worse of a pitcher, but because of the uncertainty.

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I'm not buying the notion that this bullpen stint has downgraded Myers' trade value.

And I *definitely* don't buy the notion that the Phils themselves have downgraded Myers' trade value.

Ok, let me ask you this.....

Let's say Myers stayed in the rotation and currently had a 3.50 ERA with 3 wins and his normal K rates.

Now, lets look at him now...3 saves in the pen, great ERA and peripherals.

What version of Myers nets more in a trade right now???

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