Orioles select SS Richie Martin with 1st pick of Rule 5 Draft

[eddie83]

2 minutes ago, Cy Bundy said:

I didn’t call anyone an idiot. The chances of him making it are zero, I don’t know what anyone could have seen in a guy who has no obvious gifts. He isn’t a strong fielder, which should have been obvious when scouting him. He can’t make contact with mlb pitching & when he does his soft contact % is over 31.

He is as useless as anyone in baseball & he’s 24 years old. There is nothing to work with. 

He was a former top pick who had a solid defensive reputation. If he was that good the A’s protect him. 

[eddie83]

Just now, Cy Bundy said:

Just sign DJ Lemahiue & let he or Villar play SS. Obvious to me prior to the season, more obvious today. That concludes that.

 

Maybe for you it does. 

Why spend $25M plus on a player right now? Why not take a chance on a rookie? 

Villar can’t play SS either. 

The whole point right now is to not invest money on the MLB team and give young players a chance. 

[eddie83]

1 minute ago, Cy Bundy said:

He is currently a waste of a roster spot. Part of the job is getting that correct. He’s not just bad, he’s grotesque. 

It is the Rule 5 draft.

It wasn’t the amateur draft.  

[Frobby]

12 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

I was going to look into how the other guys were doing  but had not got around to it. Thanks for the info.

When you have a need at SS and what many said was the top pick is a SS it isn’t hard to understand why they took him. 

Here’s a post where I drilled down on the Rule 5 guys a little (read this one and scroll down):

 

[eddie83]

1 minute ago, Cy Bundy said:

If you don’t understand that DJ was more than worth 2 years 24 million, you’re far too stubborn to acknowledge the obvious. That move would have given us our best baseball player...offensively and defensively. I was correct. Shocking.

You don’t play guys just because they’re young, and 24 isn’t particularly young. NY could get 75 Martins for DJ if they wanted. Your argument is deteriorating rapidly. 

 

What world are you living in. 

There isn’t a person in the world who thinks Martin is better than DJ. That isn’t a move you make during a rebuild. If you can’t comprehend that I am wasting my time. 

[Tony-OH]

On 6/11/2019 at 12:17 PM, DrungoHazewood said:

The Super Bowl crossed over into bombastic self-parody about 35 years ago, they can't stop now.  Get rid of Roman Numerals and they'll have to scale back the next halftime show, which is scheduled to be the living members of Led Zeppelin, the Beatles, Guns N Roses, a hologram of Elvis, 3500 life giraffes, six monster trucks, the Up With People dancers, an airburst of three tactical nukes, and Evil Knieval's step-godson riding a rocket hovercraft over a pool of lava.

This would literally be the best halftime show of all-time! 

[Tony-OH]

29 minutes ago, Cy Bundy said:

I didn’t call anyone an idiot. The chances of him making it are zero, I don’t know what anyone could have seen in a guy who has no obvious gifts. He isn’t a strong fielder, which should have been obvious when scouting him. He can’t make contact with mlb pitching & when he does his soft contact % is over 31.

He is as useless as anyone in baseball & he’s 24 years old. There is nothing to work with. 

I keep seeing you write the same thing over and over, but I've got to totally disagree with you on his defensive tools. First off, his arm is a solid average major league SS arm. He's got decent range and a good first step, but the hands can be a little shaky. Offensively, his hit tool is certainly well below average and his power is probably 35 as well. He's got 70 speed though and overall he has very good game awareness and is a smart player on the field.

I've been disappointed in his defense of late, but i wonder if the constant failure at the plate is affecting his glove?

Either way, Martin is going nowhere. Would I count him as my everyday SS in 2-3 seasons, probably not, but do I think he could end up a decent utility guy who can play all over the infield and perhaps the outfield to include CF because of his speed? Sure.

Martin was not ready for the major leagues, but under the circumstances of this season, I have no issue with running him out there this year. I think Hyde has handled him pretty well by moving Villar onto SS when giving him some time off.

A lot was asked of Martin, and although he hasn't played well overall, and on a contending team he would be nowhere near a major league roster, he's hanging int there.

 

 

[Tony-OH]

29 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

Maybe for you it does. 

Why spend $25M plus on a player right now? Why not take a chance on a rookie? 

Villar can’t play SS either. 

The whole point right now is to not invest money on the MLB team and give young players a chance. 

I wouldn't want Villar on SS everyday, but he's fine to fill in here and there. He's got he tools but just doesn't have the hands of consistency you wold want from an everyday guy.

[El_Duderino]

DJ isn’t coming to  Baltimore for anything less than a drastic overpay most likely. 

[eddie83]

Just now, Tony-OH said:

I wouldn't want Villar on SS everyday, but he's fine to fill in here and there. He's got he tools but just doesn't have the hands of consistency you wold want from an everyday guy.

I agree. 

My whole point is anyone can pick out FA’s that are better players than a Rule 5 player or other waiver wire type pickups. It’s like saying Ocean City has more people on the beach in July than in December. 

Martin is exactly the kind of player a team like the Orioles should give a chance to.

[weams]

56 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

This would literally be the best halftime show of all-time! 

Of course we need to sit upwind of those nukes...

[weams]

1 hour ago, Cy Bundy said:

I know a team that could use both of them.

No you don't. The Orioles have found it tough enough to keep Givens on the roster all season. You have been going a bit off the rails and close to board infraction with your trash talk here. Maybe dial it back some. 

[Ruzious]

Draft Gunnar Henderson!  Oh, we already did that?  Well um, Bring up Gunnar Henderson!  Quick, before he outgrows shortstop!  

Oh, it would be nice if they sign him first - minors detail.  

 

[weams]

1 minute ago, Cy Bundy said:

Weams, I share my opinions, you don’t know anything I don’t, you know less. If your ego needs to ban me, so be it, that’s your personal nonsense.

 

Done

[Can_of_corn]

31 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

Draft Gunnar Henderson!  Oh, we already did that?  Well um, Bring up Gunnar Henderson!  Quick, before he outgrows shortstop!  

Oh, it would be nice if they sign him first - minors detail.  

 

I'm sure Grenier will be ready soon.