Mid-March Orioles spring training update: Good news stories

[Aristotelian]

32 minutes ago, Philip said:

I don’t understand why everybody is so high on Felix and Harvey. They have a past, but they certainly don’t have a present, and I can’t think of any reason to keep the north. Unless you really put stock in “veteran presence,” Which is a stupid reason to give a roster spot to go with an 85 mile an hour fastball and no secondaries. They offered nothing they shouldn’t go anywhere. Meanwhile I want Wells to make it, maybe green, and I was a fan of Matson until he left

Who is high on Felix and Harvey? I liked them as cheap options with some upside, but I don't think anyone is under any illusions about their likely value.

[HowAboutThat]

2 hours ago, Aristotelian said:

Who is high on Felix and Harvey? I liked them as cheap options with some upside, but I don't think anyone is under any illusions about their likely value.

Anybody who thinks right now that they deserve a spot is high on them. Felix especially hasn't shown anything except that he is done. Neither one deserves a spot, and even if not too many guys have been appreciably better, would be better to give the spot someone with a future instead of some of the past.

Yes I agree that they had some possible upside, but they have shown that they don’t. It was worthwhile signing them, but now send them on their way.

Edited March 15, 2021 by Philip

[Barnaby Graves]

32 minutes ago, Philip said:

I don’t understand why everybody is so high on Felix and Harvey.

Are they?  I haven't seen much enthusiasm.  I think everyone has a pretty good idea of the kind of players they are at this point.  If Felix is in the rotation I expect a performance similar to Chris Tillman's last year with us.  He had nothing left in the tank and his pitching line reflected it pretty well.  Those were some hard starts to watch.

[Frobby]

For me Zimmermann is the feel good story of the spring so far, and I think he may be the John Means of 2021.

Tony, I disagree with this statement you made:  “He already looks much more like the guy the Orioles saw last spring then the one who made two appearances late in the year last year.”    Zimmermann had a terrible debut (3 IP, 5 ER) but his second outing actually was extremely impressive (4 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 5 K’s).   His combined numbers for the two outings don’t look good but that’s because the first outing was so lousy.   But he really looked good that second time out.   

[HowAboutThat]

17 minutes ago, Barnaby Graves said:

Are they?  I haven't seen much enthusiasm.  I think everyone has a pretty good idea of the kind of players they are at this point.  If Felix is in the rotation I expect a performance similar to Chris Tillman's last year with us.  He had nothing left in the tank and his pitching line reflected it pretty well.  Those were some hard starts to watch.

See the comment I posted just before yours

[HowAboutThat]

9 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

http://www.orioleshangout.com/2021/03/14/mid-march-orioles-spring-training-review-good-news/

What does Matt Harvey offer? He’s been mediocre at best, and I’d much rather have Sceroler or Jannis or anyone.

[Barnaby Graves]

4 minutes ago, Philip said:

See the comment I posted just before yours

I guess it depends what the team is trying to accomplish by having them on the roster instead of literally anyone else.  The obsession with service time is getting really monotonous.  There has to be SOMEONE in the organization who would be a more interesting starter than a Felix Hernandez with a mid-80s fastball.

[HowAboutThat]

4 minutes ago, Barnaby Graves said:

I guess it depends what the team is trying to accomplish by having them on the roster instead of literally anyone else.  The obsession with service time is getting really monotonous.  There has to be SOMEONE in the organization who would be a more interesting starter than a Felix Hernandez with a mid-80s fastball.

Exactly, plus, Lopez has pitched better, Almost everyone has actually pitched better.

And in case I haven’t made it clear, I put very little stock in “veteran presence”

That’s like that Cologne you put on before you go to the bar to pick up chicks.

”Hey babe, you want some ‘veteran presence’?

[Aristotelian]

40 minutes ago, Philip said:

I don’t understand why everybody is so high on Felix and Harvey. They have a past, but they certainly don’t have a present, and I can’t think of any reason to keep the north. Unless you really put stock in “veteran presence,” Which is a stupid reason to give a roster spot to go with an 85 mile an hour fastball and no secondaries. They offered nothing they shouldn’t go anywhere. Meanwhile I want Wells to make it, maybe green, and I was a fan of Matson until he left

The poster you quoted never said that. The main reason to keep them is that there is little downside and possible upside.

[HowAboutThat]

42 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

The poster you quoted never said that. The main reason to keep them is that there is little downside and possible upside.

I didn’t say he said that, and if you read my comment, you’ll see I didn’t.

I am saying there is no reason for either to make the team. Sign them, sure. Give them a chance, sure. But they haven’t earned a spot, so at this point, they shouldn't make the team. End of story. If they suddenly improve over the next two weeks, we can revisit the question, but for now, they don’t deserve a spot.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

5 minutes ago, Philip said:

I didn’t say he said that, and if you read my comment, you’ll see I didn’t.

I am saying there is no reason for either to make the team. Sign them, sure. Give them a chance, sure. But they haven’t earned a spot, so at this point, they shouldn't make the team. End of story. If they suddenly improve over the next two weeks, we can revisit the question, but for now, they don’t deserve a spot.

I'm a big fan of King Felix, but I don't think he has enough left in the tank. This isn't 1993 Fernando Valenzuela grinding out a respectable season as a bottom of the rotation starter. Maybe he will turn it on in the next couple weeks and that would be cool, but it seems unlikely. 

[wildcard]

11 hours ago, Philip said:

What does Matt Harvey offer? He’s been mediocre at best, and I’d much rather have Sceroler or Jannis or anyone.

He makes his 2nd start today.  So  we will see.

[Sports Guy]

9 hours ago, Philip said:

What does Matt Harvey offer? He’s been mediocre at best, and I’d much rather have Sceroler or Jannis or anyone.

Sceroler shouldn’t be on the OD roster..shouldn’t even be a consideration.

[bobmc]

2 hours ago, wildcard said:

He makes his 2nd start today.  So  we like see.

"I like see" no matter what @Philip says .  We need a Harvey since HH is down!  

[Tony-OH]

11 hours ago, Philip said:

What does Matt Harvey offer? He’s been mediocre at best, and I’d much rather have Sceroler or Jannis or anyone.

If Harvey can prove to be effective, and that's still a big if right now, he offers what Galvis or Franco offers, and that's a chance to be moved this year for some potential piece if they play good. I'm not sure I see the upside in Sceroler and Jannis will be in the organization and needs to prove he can get AAA hitters out.