Grayson Rodriguez 2022

[Sports Guy]

Good info here:

https://elitebaseballperformance.com/lat-injuries-in-baseball-pitchers/?fbclid=IwAR2YY1uA2tlTaSbJfhsN29k1AshYI1IAcIiZczMKQAuYVdS6yGACycP-46c&fs=e&s=cl
 

As we have talked about, 4-6 weeks is probably accurate.  The ease of which you can re-injure it almost guarantees they wait that long. 

[btdart20]

14 hours ago, ChuckS said:

Sounds like he won't be pitching in games again until maybe August.  So maybe we get a September call-up.....if we are lucky. 

More likely we see him in late April or May of 2023 after they get the extra year.  That extra extra year really. 

Assuming it's a grade 2/muscle pull, then I think he'll get a few more innings this year.  But there's a part of me that thinks you may be right...

[btdart20]

40 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Yes, but I think RZNJ is mostly right.  Velocity is a byproduct of max effort, and throwing at the limit of human physiology is what's causing most injuries.  I don't know if throwing just max-effort fastballs would reduce injuries significantly.

You'll sometimes hear people say that today's pitchers have more injuries because they don't throw enough.  They need to build up their arm strength and then they could handle 300 innings a year and 20 complete games. I think that's a misunderstanding of what's going on. It's not wear-and-tear from pitching too much, it's a sudden failure of a tendon or ligament from strain.  It's not so much getting worn out from pitching too much like a marathon runner getting tired, it's more like a power lifter ripping something trying to clean-and-jerk 800 pounds.

And it's complicated by the drown-the-witch method they used to use with pitchers. Yes, some pitchers like Nolan Ryan or maybe Bob Gibson would throw 300+ innings with very significant effort and survive.  But the vast majority couldn't.  Since you can't identify who can handle that workload without letting them try, the world has fallen back on not letting anyone try in attempt to keep most pitchers healthy.  There are obvious ways to limit innings, but there aren't any obvious ways to limit effort on each pitch. You can tell a guy he'll reduce his injury risk greatly by backing off 20%, but then he washes out of the game in A ball.

Agree in that it's likely a multitude of variables and appreciate the power lifter comparison.  It's not a natural motion and pitchers push that to the limits every pitch.  IIRC, it's part of why the O's limited guys like Arrieta and Gausman from throwing their best pitches (after the Bundy arm issues).

I do think there's something to the 'build up arm strength' approach though.  But think build arm strength is more about a lifetime of throwing (i.e. young kids on daily/weekly pitch counts) that limits the ligament/tendon adherence/muscle strength.  But instead of professional pitchers blowing out arms, we would see kids building those characteristics and/or blowing out arms.  

[atom_25]

23 hours ago, atom_25 said:

You can take this fwiw, Grayson Rodriguez is fine.  Heard from reputable source/s that he had some cramping and was fine post game without getting into specifics.  I was listening to post game show when I heard what happened and I started freaking out and a friend of mine, who is a podcaster, reached out to talk me off the ledge and assure me it is nothing.  

Sorry about that.  This certainly did not age well. 

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

1 hour ago, atom_25 said:

Sorry about that.  This certainly did not age well. 

You're good and you classified this as being a rumor you heard from a source. I like hearing stuff like this as long as it's not misrepresented. 

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

FYI, 105.7 The Fan just reported Grayson Rodriguez is going to get a second opinion on his injury. Good idea, but hopefully this doesn’t balloon into anything more serious than what it already is. 

[waroriole]

1 minute ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

FYI, 105.7 The Fan just reported Grayson Rodriguez is going to get a second opinion on his injury. Good idea, but hopefully this doesn’t balloon into anything more serious than what it already is. 

That’s interesting, considering the reports from his camp was that it was nothing serious. I’m sure he’s tired of being held back for no reason. I wonder if there is a rift with the team over not being called up yet. 

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, waroriole said:

That’s interesting, considering the reports from his camp was that it was nothing serious. I’m sure he’s tired of being held back for no reason. I wonder if there is a rift with the team over not being called up yet. 

Players in the minors have very close to no leverage with these things.

Even if he gets a clean bill from MD #2 what are his options?

[SteveA]

10 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

FYI, 105.7 The Fan just reported Grayson Rodriguez is going to get a second opinion on his injury. Good idea, but hopefully this doesn’t balloon into anything more serious than what it already is. 

To me, that's ominous.   People usually want a second opinion when they don't like the first one.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

Just now, SteveA said:

To me, that's ominous.   People usually want a second opinion when they don't like the first one.

I interpret it the way @waroriole did and maybe Grayson feels like this isn't that serious an injury. And he wants to get back to work sooner. On the flip side like you mentioned it's also possible Grayson thinks this injury is being underplayed.

I'm going to be optimistic about it for now. 

[tntoriole]

1 hour ago, SteveA said:

To me, that's ominous.   People usually want a second opinion when they don't like the first one.

If it means trying to comeback from it faster, he should reconsider.  It is not just the injury, but even if healed pitchers often change yheir mechanics just a fraction to unconsciously favor it and then you get elbow issues 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, tntoriole said:

If it means trying to comeback from it faster, he should reconsider.  It is not just the injury, but even if healed pitchers often change yheir mechanics just a fraction to unconsciously favor it and then you get elbow issues 

So if he goes to a qualified doctor who is unaffiliated with the Orioles and is given an accelerated timetable he should reconsider it?

Why?

I don't think he's going to Dr. Nick.

[OriolesMagic83]

2 hours ago, waroriole said:

That’s interesting, considering the reports from his camp was that it was nothing serious. I’m sure he’s tired of being held back for no reason. I wonder if there is a rift with the team over not being called up yet. 

It would be hard for GrayRod to not think he is good enough to be in the majors now.  The O's are having bullpen games instead of promoting maybe the minor's best pitcher.  It takes great skill to piss off your prospects before they even make the majors.

[Aristotelian]

Do we have any idea from the radio report whether the second opinion was initiated by Grayson or by the team? OP just says "is getting".

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Aristotelian said:

Do we have any idea from the radio report whether the second opinion was initiated by Grayson or by the team? OP just says "is getting".

I guess the report might not make the same distinctions I do but to me the entity cited should be the one initiating the action.

Grayson is getting as opposed to the Orioles are getting...