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Thanks Nadecir....definitely missed that and I stand corrected. It seems this would lend credibility to Grimsley's initial statements, and less so for the back-tracking he seems to be doing now. But the question remains, is he making an assumption that Tejada, Roberts, and Gibbons were using steroids, or did he witness something?

It doesn't matter if he witnessed it. That makes it a he said/he said affair. THe players will back up each other. THey will close ranks against Grimsley like they have against Canseco.

What we don't know is if there is some paper trail (or other) connection linking GIbbons/Roberts/Tejada/Clemens/Pettitte/etc.... with the doctors, suppliers, mfg companies, etc........that Grimsley mentioned as his sources in the affadavit.

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Thats a little ridiculous, IMO.

Having read the affidavit I see nothing but a very general discription of the information Grimsley alledgedly gave . If I were his lawyer I would want to see a transcript of the conversation. Since the information was volunteered without the presence of an attorney I doubt one exhists but Novitsky and the other agents would have to be thoroughly deposed before I would except the info as valid in terms of what grimsley actually volunteered.

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Having read the affidavit I see nothing but a very general discription of the information Grimsley alledgedly gave . If I were his lawyer I would want to see a transcript of the conversation. Since the information was volunteered without the presence of an attorney I doubt one exhists but Novitsky and the other agents would have to be thoroughly deposed before I would except the info as valid in terms of what grimsley actually volunteered.

I see no reason not to want an actual transcript. Primary source is always better then a secondary source. If the agents didn't record the conversation I would argue that is somewhat negligent, unless Grimsley would not allow a recording.

Still, I think the source in question is the reporter who is putting the names to the redacted sections of the Affidavit. How is that information trust worthy?

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Forgive me for not wading into the entire thread, but here is the one obvious point that I haven't heard mentioned:

If someone is wrongly accused or slandered by someone else, the obvious course would be to sue them for libel, or defamation of character.

These vague denunciations by the players that I've seen quoted ("I've passed all the tests") fall far short IMO of what they would say and do -- press charges against Grimsley -- if they were truly innocent.

Is this off base or does this strike home?

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Forgive me for not wading into the entire thread, but here is the one obvious point that I haven't heard mentioned:

If someone is wrongly accused or slandered by someone else, the obvious course would be to sue them for libel, or defamation of character.

These vague denunciations by the players that I've seen quoted ("I've passed all the tests") fall far short IMO of what they would say and do -- press charges against Grimsley -- if they were truly innocent.

Is this off base or does this strike home?

Even if they wanted to sue Grimsley, how would the accused players prove that they never did HGH, or undetectable steroids?

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Even if they wanted to sue Grimsley, how would the accused players prove that they never did HGH, or undetectable steroids?

Well, shouldn't Grimsley have to prove that the players did do HGH or steroids, not the other way around. I mean Grimsley is the one doing the accusing.

Show me the money...

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I see no reason not to want an actual transcript. Primary source is always better then a secondary source. If the agents didn't record the conversation I would argue that is somewhat negligent, unless Grimsley would not allow a recording.

Still, I think the source in question is the reporter who is putting the names to the redacted sections of the Affidavit. How is that information trust worthy?

Half of the sports media knew these names months ago but didn't have the one the record sources to release the names. I suspect Grimsley himself told several reporters the names off the record. It's also probable that Segui told reporters after speaking with Grimsley.

These are the names in the affidavit, I wouldn't worry about the validity of that.

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Well, shouldn't Grimsley have to prove that the players did do HGH or steroids, not the other way around. I mean Grimsley is the one doing the accusing.

Show me the money...

I think Grimsley can probably say whatever he wants in this context (not that it's right or admirable). I mean, I can say "I think Mark Carver did steroids" and I don't think you could really sue me for that.

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Forgive me for not wading into the entire thread, but here is the one obvious point that I haven't heard mentioned:

If someone is wrongly accused or slandered by someone else, the obvious course would be to sue them for libel, or defamation of character.

These vague denunciations by the players that I've seen quoted ("I've passed all the tests") fall far short IMO of what they would say and do -- press charges against Grimsley -- if they were truly innocent.

Is this off base or does this strike home?

Didn't Angelos actually offer to represent Palmeiro last year in civil action against Canseco after his book came out? In retrospect that offer seems pretty comical.

I doubt if we see Angelos offer up his representation this time.

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Well, shouldn't Grimsley have to prove that the players did do HGH or steroids, not the other way around. I mean Grimsley is the one doing the accusing.

Show me the money...

An affidavit is a sworn statement. Knowingly lying is perjury. So the person giving the affidavit doesn't really need to have a TON of evidence to back up his claims. And judging by the affidavit, Grimsley's biggest evidence is that someone has the "worst back acne" he had ever seen. Well I don't want this to be too much info, but I had some battles with back acne, I don't do steroids.

The interviewer didn't really ask him what he was basing his accusations on either. So what we have is a statement, and little else.

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Even if they wanted to sue Grimsley, how would the accused players prove that they never did HGH, or undetectable steroids?

I posed the lawsuit question somewhere way back in this thread, and was told basically the same thing. It seems to me that the accuser would be the one who should be forced to verify his accusation with evidence, not the other way around. he is the one being sued. The same as a prosecutor would have to prove their case to get a conviction.

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Didn't Angelos actually offer to represent Palmeiro last year in civil action against Canseco after his book came out? In retrospect that offer seems pretty comical.

I doubt if we see Angelos offer up his representation this time.

Why is that comical? Pete said, hey if you want to sue him, I'll represent you?

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