Why no talk of firing Presley?

[backwardsk]

Record of AL Playoff contenders when scoring 3 runs or less:

Red Sox: 9-36 (20%)

Tigers: 7-32 (17.9%)

Rangers: 12-41 (22.6%)

A's: 13-40 (24.5%)

Rays: 15-34 (30.6%)

Orioles: 11-31 (26.2%)

Indians: 12-39 (23.5%)

Royals: 15-45 (25%)

Yankees: 13-46 (22%)

Totals: 107-344 (23.7%)

They aren't alone in struggling when scoring three runs or less. Only one playoff contender is better in those games, and that's, unsurprisingly, Tampa Bay.

And only the tigers have played less games under this criteria. Fire Pressley.

[JTrea81]

Why don't you blame the pitching coach when they lose games when they score less than 4 runs?

The pitching staff does not have the ability to go out there and pitch games where they give up less than 3 runs on a consistent basis. They simply do not have enough talent. However, they don't need to - not if the offense does its job.

This offense on the other hand has the ability to work the count and get better pitches to hit. The Texas series right after the break is a perfect example - however nobody is telling them to do that as that would be an adjustment to what they've been doing.

When the power is there, their philosophy is great. When the power isn't and they are behind or only up by 1 run, it isn't.

Days like today Presley looks like an asset, but we've had more days since the break where his philosophy has seemed to be a detriment.

We'll have to see if we can have more days like today, and then I agree the hitting coach won't matter.

[Moose Milligan]

Record of AL Playoff contenders when scoring 3 runs or less:

Red Sox: 9-36 (20%)

Tigers: 7-32 (17.9%)

Rangers: 12-41 (22.6%)

A's: 13-40 (24.5%)

Rays: 15-34 (30.6%)

Orioles: 11-31 (26.2%)

Indians: 12-39 (23.5%)

Royals: 15-45 (25%)

Yankees: 13-46 (22%)

Totals: 107-344 (23.7%)

They aren't alone in struggling when scoring three runs or less. Only one playoff contender is better in those games, and that's, unsurprisingly, Tampa Bay.

Yeahyeahyeahyeahyeahbutbutbut the Royals fired their hitting coach and got better! How do you explain that, hmmm??????

[backwardsk]

The pitching staff does not have the ability to go out there and pitch games where they give up less than 3 runs on a consistent basis. They simply do not have enough talent. However, they don't need to - not if the offense does its job.

This offense on the other hand has the ability to work the count and get better pitches to hit. The Texas series right after the break is a perfect example - however nobody is telling them to do that as that would be an adjustment to what they've been doing.

When the power is there, their philosophy is great. When the power isn't and they are behind or only up by 1 run, it isn't.

Days like today Presley looks like an asset, but we've had more days since the break where his philosophy has seemed to be a detriment.

We'll have to see if we can have more days like today, and then I agree the hitting coach won't matter.

Does the fact that the Tigers are the only team in baseball that has scores 3 runs or fewer less often than the Orioles not resonate?

[JTrea81]

Record of AL Playoff contenders when scoring 3 runs or less:

Red Sox: 9-36 (20%)

Tigers: 7-32 (17.9%)

Rangers: 12-41 (22.6%)

A's: 13-40 (24.5%)

Rays: 15-34 (30.6%)

Orioles: 11-31 (26.2%)

Indians: 12-39 (23.5%)

Royals: 15-45 (25%)

Yankees: 13-46 (22%)

Totals: 107-344 (23.7%)

They aren't alone in struggling when scoring three runs or less. Only one playoff contender is better in those games, and that's, unsurprisingly, Tampa Bay.

Interesting, thought the Tigers and Red Sox would be looking better in that regard.

I guess everybody is pretty similar when it comes to that stat surprisingly, though Tampa has that bit of an edge, which could make a huge difference down the stretch considering how tight the race is right now.

[Orioles_Magic]

Losses by playoff contenders when scoring five or more runs:

Red Sox - 8

Tigers - 9

Rangers - 3

A's - 6

Rays - 10

Orioles - 14

Indians - 9

Royals - 4

Yankees - 4

[JTrea81]

Losses by playoff contenders when scoring five or more runs:

Red Sox - 8

Tigers - 9

Rangers - 3

A's - 6

Rays - 10

Orioles - 14

Indians - 9

Royals - 4

Yankees - 4

This just illustrates how important the offense is when your pitching staff is a bunch of #3's and #4's. The Orioles have to score as much as they can when they can because they don't have the pitching to shutdown opposing teams.

[SerenityNow]

Some people would be pissed if we won the World Series in 5 games instead of 4.

Some people would be pissed if we got a multi time all-star catcher who his 20 bombs a year and wins gold gloves, instead of the player their mommy said we drafted. Can't satisfy everyone.

[Orioles_Magic]

This just illustrates how important the offense is when your pitching staff is a bunch of #3's and #4's. The Orioles have to score as much as they can when they can because they don't have the pitching to shutdown opposing teams.

If a major league pitching staff can't win when given five runs by the offense, then that's the major problem of the team. Not the hitting.

[OFFNY]

I have a hard time believing that he's not being intentionally obtuse. If so, then he's not a nice guy.

I agree with this.

I enjoy watching him pick and choose who he responds to.

That, and the fact that Trea never gets rude, I respect that.

This can also be kind of like rubbing salt into the proverbial wounds.

Throwing out inane posts and inane threads, and calmly watching others get worked up over his trolling.

Although I responded to him in this thread (once), I have generally avoided doing so since he declared that the Red Sox don't sell any Yankee gear inside or outside of their stadium in Boston (neither of which is true) 2 years ago, and still wouldn't admit that he was mistaken, in spite of the proof that other showed which illustrated that he was wrong.

[El Gordo]

Before the ASB the O's averaged 4.8 R and had a .552 win %. After the ASB they have averaged 4.5 R and have a .550 win %. Much ado about nothing IMO.

[foxfield]

:angryfire:

Losses by playoff contenders when scoring five or more runs:

Red Sox - 8

Tigers - 9

Rangers - 3

A's - 6

Rays - 10

Orioles - 14

Indians - 9

Royals - 4

Yankees - 4

This just illustrates how important the offense is when your pitching staff is a bunch of #3's and #4's. The Orioles have to score as much as they can when they can because they don't have the pitching to shutdown opposing teams.

Holy Crap, we are losing too many games where we score more than 5 runs. If the Orioles do not fire the hitting coach this very minute it proves, beyond anything, that the Orioles lack commitment and an honest attempt to win.

[backwardsk]

If a major league pitching staff can't win when given five runs by the offense, then that's the major problem of the team. Not the hitting.

On the good side, they've given up 5+ runs 18 times in 53 games in the last two months while the rotation has begun to stabilize with the addition of Norris and the return of Chen. Not good, but getting better.

[atomic]

Record of AL Playoff contenders when scoring 3 runs or less:

Red Sox: 9-36 (20%)

Tigers: 7-32 (17.9%)

Rangers: 12-41 (22.6%)

A's: 13-40 (24.5%)

Rays: 15-34 (30.6%)

Orioles: 11-31 (26.2%)

Indians: 12-39 (23.5%)

Royals: 15-45 (25%)

Yankees: 13-46 (22%)

Totals: 107-344 (23.7%)

They aren't alone in struggling when scoring three runs or less. Only one playoff contender is better in those games, and that's, unsurprisingly, Tampa Bay.

These records are pretty meaningless. We don't know how many games the teams scored 3 runs and how many times they scored 0 runs. I think a better statistic would be what a teams record is when they score 3 runs exactly. We know what a teams winning percentage is if it scores zero runs so need to include that.

[atomic]

Losses by playoff contenders when scoring five or more runs:

Red Sox - 8

Tigers - 9

Rangers - 3

A's - 6

Rays - 10

Orioles - 14

Indians - 9

Royals - 4

Yankees - 4

Once again meaningless information. One team might have score 5 or more runs twice as many times another team. One team might have a median runs scored of 8 whenever they score 5 or more runs another team might have a median of 6 runs when they score 5 or more runs.