Wieters

[paulcoates]

When can the Orioles trade Wieters? Could they trade him in the 1st week of the season?

Just wonder because if they sign one more player to a big money contract, I would be really surprised if they assume all this extra salary. It isn't like Peter to do this.

If they trade Wieters and his $15M contract asap once the season starts, it really helps pay the other guy, if they indeed sign one more.

[Babypowder]

When can the Orioles trade Wieters? Could they trade him in the 1st week of the season?

Just wonder because if they sign one more player to a big money contract, I would be really surprised if they assume all this extra salary. It isn't like Peter to do this.

If they trade Wieters and his $15M contract asap once the season starts, it really helps pay the other guy, if they indeed sign one more.

I believe he can't be traded until June. It'll be a deadline deal if anything happens most likely.

[Frobby]

While I see the cold logic of trading Wieters on June 15, I think clubhouse considerations will make that difficult if the O's are in contention then.

[25 Nuggets]

What we want is Wieters to do well this year because that would be a huge boost towards lengthening the lineup. Wieters at his best is a better hitter than Joseph at his best. Wieters is .260/22/80 (or 3.0-ish oWAR) while Joseph is maybe .240/15/60 (or 1.5-ish oWAR).

Wieters can then turn down the next QO.

[Aristotelian]

I am expecting a typical Wieters .260/.320/.740 with average defense adding up 1.5-2.5 WAR. If things break right he could be barely worth the $15m.

I am not sure another average year from Wieters gets him a >$50m long term contract at Age 31. I could see him accepting another QO if we offer it again.

Yes, Wieters is better offensively than CJ, but CJ has been crushing Wieters defensively. I expect their net production to be about the same as last year regardless of how much Wieters plays.

[waroriole]

They're not trading Wieters.

[Frobby]

It would be almost impossible to be "out of contention" for a wildcard spot on June 15.

Put it this way, if we are not significantly under .500 on June 15, I doubt he'll be on the market.

[BohKnowsBmore]

What we want is Wieters to do well this year because that would be a huge boost towards lengthening the lineup. Wieters at his best is a better hitter than Joseph at his best. Wieters is .260/22/80 (or 3.0-ish oWAR) while Joseph is maybe .240/15/60 (or 1.5-ish oWAR).

Wieters can then turn down the next QO.

Thus far, Wieters at his MLB worst has also been a better hitter than Joseph at his best.

In his second MLB season, Matt had a .695 OPS (90 OPS+), the worst of his career.

In his second MLB season, Caleb had a .693 OPS (87 OPS+), the better of his two MLB seasons.

[MDtransplant757]

I would use him as a DH more often than not.

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[Frobby]

If we were 10 games under he wouldn't be traded until late July.

I don't hope to find out what the O's would do in that scenario.

[twinedenter]

It would be a mistake, that the FO has already made with other free agents to-be, not to trade Weiters, if we are not "in it".

Providing he is healthy, he needs to be dealt for prospects, even if just above average ones.

-He cannot be extended due to Machado's upcoming free agency, combined with Davis's contract.

-We have a valid replacement. Joseph isn't quite as good no, but the money could and should be used in other places.

-A chance for the O's to get some real prospects in the system.

-Potential for him to take the QO again.

[jerios55]

If we were 10 games under he wouldn't be traded until late July.

If we are 10 games under I can't imagine he's doing that well that someone would want him (not that it'd be all his fault).

[Tony-OH]

I am expecting a typical Wieters .260/.320/.740 with average defense adding up 1.5-2.5 WAR. If things break right he could be barely worth the $15m.

I am not sure another average year from Wieters gets him a >$50m long term contract at Age 31. I could see him accepting another QO if we offer it again.

Yes, Wieters is better offensively than CJ, but CJ has been crushing Wieters defensively. I expect their net production to be about the same as last year regardless of how much Wieters plays.

Yet, he's never had a WAR in that range. Wieters hasn't had a WAR over 2 since 2012 when he was a 3.5 WAR player. His defense hasn't been average since 2012 so it's doubtful that he's suddenly going to get better at 30.

I could see him putting up a WAR on the low side of that range at best. Steamer has Wieters' slashing .244/.303/.411/.713 and baseball reference, using Tom Tango's Marcel the Monkey forecast has him at .256/.308/.428/.736. Add that to his average at best defense (if he's fully recovered) and I'm thinking he'll end up 1.2-1.6 WAR player this year. In other words, I don't personally think he'll be worth anything close to the money he'll make this season. Of course I'm pretty sure anyone who has read my posts this year knows that! lol

[Tony-OH]

Thus far, Wieters at his MLB worst has also been a better hitter than Joseph at his best.

In his second MLB season, Matt had a .695 OPS (90 OPS+), the worst of his career.

In his second MLB season, Caleb had a .693 OPS (87 OPS+), the better of his two MLB seasons.

Wieters is certainly the better bet to be more productive at the plate in 2016. I'm hoping that Joseph will start at least 3 games a week which could keep both of them fresher and hopefully more productive. at the plate.

[weams]

In other words, I don't personally think he'll be worth anything close to the money he'll make this season. Of course I'm pretty sure anyone who has read my posts this year knows that! lol

I know that.