We have had discussions with MIN re: Santana and Abad

[ISU94]

Overboard is thinking that the O's were a contending team last year (they weren't, IMHO) and buying high on a player that was ready to regress (Parra) by giving up a part that most likely could have been part of the rotation this year.

My argument wasnt that it was a good trade, its that it wasnt a fleecing...which it wasnt. Lol

[atomic]

Teams talking to Phillies about Jeremy Hellickson say they want "one of your top 5 prospects" - or they'll keep him & take the draft pick

Pick your poison folks

Can one of these top 5 prospects have just had TJ surgery?

[sportsfan8703]

Wouldn't it be funny that we named Ubaldo the starter in Min but it was for the Twins? Ubaldo salary dump v2.0 haha.

On a serious note. We can't take on salary and then give up Mancini and Sisco. It's not that they're untouchable, it's just that they're near mlb ready and we need them as cheap replacements for MW and Trumbo. Anyone else is fair game.

We know teams are high on Jhon Peluffo, G.Cleavinger and Tanner Scott, because they've been asked for in recent trades. Guys that are in the 4-12 range of our top prospects. So we might be looking at something like...

O.Peralta, Peluffo, Cleavinger

That fits what the rumor says. A top prospect plus two more. It also fits what the Twins would want. High upside arms with big ceilings.

If that's the case, I would do the trade. But we can't take on salary and give up Mancini or Sisco.

[TouchemAll]

Gut feeling, starting to think we blow a lot of smoke and end up with nothing at the deadline.

[ChuckS]

What we "can afford" and what we are "willing to spend" are two vastly different numbers. And I love how everyone assumes we are just going to let 100HR walk out door and that is a done deal. Far from it.

I don't see any way Trumbo is back. He will get a 100 million dollar contract from someone, coming off a 45-50 homerun season. The FA class is weak.

Wieters is OPS'ing .686 right now and going to be 31 next year. Signing him to a long term deal would be a bad investment. He's QO borderline territory right now. Maybe he accepts again and comes back on a one year deal.

Alvarez could be resigned, but Buck really doesn't like the lack of roster flexibility with purely DH types. If Mancini is gone at the deadline, I think that increases the chances that Alvarez is brought back.

I would target a real outfielder: Michael Saunders, Josh Reddick, or even Colby Rasmus and give Mancini and Sisco a chance to play everyday if they are still in the organization.

The Orioles cannot afford to have just one player in the starting lineup making less than 5 mil a year. That's not sustainable.

[FlipTheBird]

Keep in mind even though Santana is affordable, you'll have the following on the books for 2017:

Gallardo: $11m

Ubaldo: $13.5m

Santana: $13.5m

TOTAL: $38m

$38m on a team that already has zippy payroll flexibility and a GM that doesn't do a great job of handling payroll.

That's true, but by the same token I don't think anyone anticipates the Orioles to be buyers during the 2016-2017 offseason. There are quite a few guys who will get raises in arbitration, yes, but many of the cornerstones will still be in place. Alvarez/Trumbo/Wieters all almost certainly walk.

[ChuckS]

Teams talking to Phillies about Jeremy Hellickson say they want "one of your top 5 prospects" - or they'll keep him & take the draft pick

Pick your poison folks

Peralta (no. 5ish) and Tanner Scott is fair value.

[mcgraw238]

Teams talking to Phillies about Jeremy Hellickson say they want "one of your top 5 prospects" - or they'll keep him & take the draft pick

Pick your poison folks

I'd think that Hellickson would accept the qualifying offer and rake in the big payday in 2017. Philly needs to be prepared to pay the player in 2017 if that is their stance. It may work out for them given where they are in the rebuild but I would not bid against that stance.

[Bmorefan24]

I don't want Santana. You could end up with 3 pitchers with ERA in the 5+ range all getting paid over 10 million a year. Seems like a good way to be a very bad team.

6 of the last 7 years, Santana has had an ERA below 4.

[FlipTheBird]

I'd think that Hellickson would accept the qualifying offer and rake in the big payday in 2017. Philly needs to be prepared to pay the player in 2017 if that is their stance. It may work out for them given where they are in the rebuild but I would not bid against that stance.

I'd tend to agree. There'd be no reason not to cash in on a payday like that. Especially if you're viewed by teams at large as unreliable starting pitcher. Gallardo got a gift from the O's.

[mskrulz]

Teams talking to Phillies about Jeremy Hellickson say they want "one of your top 5 prospects" - or they'll keep him & take the draft pick

Pick your poison folks

They won't get a draft pick they'll get stuck with Hellickson at a very high one year number.

[baltimoreO's22]

They won't get a draft pick they'll get stuck with Hellickson at a very high one year number.

The QO is likely to be 17 mil, that is a lot to turn down. He would still be able to get a contract the year after and if he isn't going to get 17M AAV then why not accept it for one year and bet on yourself.

[FlipCup]

If we were to give up 1-2 of our top prospects, how depleted would our system then be? I know we already discuss how we lack depth as it is.

[oriolesacox]

Looks like the Phils are banking on Hellickson to turn down the qualifying offer. His agent... Scott Boras.

[ChuckS]

I'd do Scott for Hellickson straight up. Less confident about Scott panning out than Sisco or Mancini.

I'm not sure Scott's worth is more than a comp pick.

I'd put it about even with a comp pick. Phillies probably rather pick their own guy.