Wednesday May 19: John Means takes on the Rays

[NCRaven]

Downright unwatchable for the past week plus.

[Philip]

Just now, O's84 said:

He's done a tremendous job this year coming in with men on base. 

 

Sure. My point all along has been pull the starter sooner. If you want Plutko, great but let him start the inning. That’s all I’ve been saying and I’m still right

[maybenxtyr]

1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

Man, I thought we were going to get this one. 

They at least make losing interesting.

[bpilktree]

Fry started a clean inning and he has been our best reliever and he looks terrible today.  There isn’t much help at AAA either as they are giving up 7 runs a game.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

[scOtt]

Done.

[Philip]

Meanwhile, this game is going south.

is there a “sadder face” emoji?

[fansince71]

Nice crapping of the bed bullpen.

[maybenxtyr]

1 minute ago, NCRaven said:

Downright unwatchable for the past week plus.

Yep. We know they are generally not the better team going into a game, but the shoddy play is what is embarrassing.

[Moose Milligan]

This game sucks.

[SteveA]

3 minutes ago, Philip said:

I have no problem with him at all. My point was that, IF HES BAD THATS ALL THE MORE REASON TO LET HIM START A CLEAN INNING.

If he’s good, let him start a clean inning.

Heres an idea: don’t let your tiring starter start an inning.

Means had a great, easy 6th inning, after struggling in the 5th.  What leads you to believe he was tiring?

[Matt Bennett]

Bad time for Fry to have a bad night 

[LocoChris]

27 minutes ago, Philip said:

On the contrary, it just proved me right. You don’t leave your starter in too long, you take heed when your starter, even your best starter, has a sloppy inning, even if he recovers. Means ended the 6th at 87 pitches. He did well in the sixth, but still, time to come out.
And you have to trust your bullpen. If Plutko is bad, well. He’s bad. If you only go with him because you feel you’ve no other choice, well, that’s all the more reason to let him start a clean inning. Plus, if you bring him in with a man on, he STILL must face three guys regardless of how bad he is. And look. Plutko faced his three, gave up three runs, one of which was charged to Means, and departs with a tie game. And turns things over to Scott... what fun THAT is going to be.

So yes, that confirms the often-repeated problem of leaving the starter in too long.

You don’t pull a starter after 1 bad inning lmao. You’d burn out a bullpen in one month. You’re already seeing what happens when you pull starters willy nilly every game. ‘Pen is clearly fatigued. 

[Philip]

Just now, bpilktree said:

Fry started a clean inning and he has been our best reliever and he looks terrible today.  There isn’t much help at AAA either as they are giving up 7 runs a game.

Interesting that Scott didn’t come out for the new inning even though he’s also a lefty, but it certainly doesn’t matter anymore at this point.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

1 minute ago, scOtt said:

Done.