What would it take to get Billy Butler

[wildcard]

Any deal for Billy Butler would start with Tillman. Then one of Matusz, Britton or Arietta. Then a guy like Reimold. Then a C+ type prospect. Thats the kind of deal it would take. The argument is whether it would be worth it or not, and if you think that would be a smart move by the Orioles.

I would seriously consider it, because I think Butler is one of the games premier hitters. Yes, I think that is a pretty steep cost. But I also think that Billy Butler in the middle of our order would be a force.

If the deal starts with Tillman, I doubt the deal is made.

[Il BuonO]

I find myself in the unfamiliar position of agreeing 100% with Roy on this one. Matusz was a different pitcher. I also think you are wrong about the righthanded hitters once he came back up. He was great in relief except for 2 homers and both of those were to LH hitters. His mechanics were batter and his fastball command was the best Iv'e seen it. Now, can he carry that over as a starter? I think so but we should hold onto him and find out. Britton probably has as much upside as any of the young guys. I'm not totally against trading one or the other in a Butler deal but I'd prefer not to.

BTW, KC needs pitching and is trading a pretty sure offensive asset in Butler. Pretty sure that want a fairly sure thing coming back. I'm not even sure Tillman qualifies but that's probably a starting point in talks with KC.

Well, I wasn't totally disagreeing with Roy. I just would like to see him do it vs RH and LH hitters. He was used as a specialist primarily and he was good at it because his mechanics were improved. I said so. If he can repeat those mechanics as a starter I'm sure he will have success.

[sevastras]

Jake Arrietta straight up would be too much. Maybe Hobgood?

To clarify, Davis is just fine with me and we dont have to give up anyone and guess what? He can substitute out in the field as well, he isnt just a guy who can ONLY hit.

[Three Run Homer]

I loves me some Billy Butler, but trading Chris Tillman for him would be insane, unless the O's know something negative about Tillman that's not apparent to the naked eye. Tillman sure looked like a frontline starting pitcher to me down the stretch. You don't trade a young frontline starting pitcher for a DH. (Well, the Mariners did last offseason, but I suspect they knew something about Pineda's health).

[Il BuonO]

Last summer the Headley deal didn't come off because both Matusz and Arrieta weren't included in the deal, but now neither of them are good enough for Butler? Scouts who were asked at the time said Arrieta had more upside. I wouldn't include Tillman in any deal for a guy who plays questionable defense part time. And I like Butler a lot.

[Il BuonO]

I loves me some Billy Butler, but trading Chris Tillman for him would be insane, unless the O's know something negative about Tillman that's not apparent to the naked eye. Tillman sure looked like a frontline starting pitcher to me down the stretch. You don't trade a young frontline starting pitcher for a DH. (Well, the Mariners did last offseason, but I suspect they knew something about Pineda's health).

They were trading for a catcher not a DH.

[GoldGlove21]

I think that a team like the Mariners or A's could be a fit as both could use more offense and have some young arms. I actually think the Orioles are a fit, but if I am the Royals I want Tillman, Matusz/Arrieta and Johnson. That sounds like a ton to us, but other teams could offer a top level propsect and aquality prospect or two and equal our offer.

[GoldGlove21]

Well that C wasn't a good one and they effectively traded for a DH. I am not giving up Tillman for Butler at this point, but I would offer a good deal for him. All of our DH's (Thome, Betemit) outside of the Davis seem to suck last season. Could you image our team if we landed Butler and Hamilton while resigning Reynolds to a fair deal? I just do not want to give up Tillman, but I would deal Matusz for Butler.

[Pickles]

They were trading for a catcher not a DH.

Were they? I don't think they were, and I don't think they thought so either.

[Dark Helmet]

Everyone is speculating they would want prospects. Who's to say they wouldnt ask for a Hammel/Chen, Matusz//Arrieta/Britton, Johnson type package? I could see them having interest in Strop too.

Would you do Hammel, Arrieta, and Strop for Butler?

[theobird]

Everyone is speculating they would want prospects. Who's to say they wouldnt ask for a Hammel/Chen, Matusz//Arrieta/Britton, Johnson type package? I could see them having interest in Strop too.

Would you do Hammel, Arrieta, and Strop for Butler?

Sure I would, but KC wouldn't even think about it. Not even for a second.

[DrinkinWithFermi]

Jake Arrietta straight up would be too much. Maybe Hobgood?

A pitcher with a career 19-23 record and 5.33 ERA would be too much for a 27 year old MOO hitter with a .300/.362/.468 career batting line and 3 reasonably priced years left on his contract? DH or not, there isn't a GM living, dead, or unborn that would hesitate 2 seconds before making that deal. Try not to sound like too much of a Homer...

[sevastras]

A pitcher with a career 19-23 record and 5.33 ERA would be too much for a 27 year old MOO hitter with a .300/.362/.468 career batting line and 3 reasonably priced years left on his contract? DH or not, there isn't a GM living, dead, or unborn that would hesitate 2 seconds before making that deal. Try not to sound like too much of a Homer...

I was simply stating that I wouldnt give up a bag of balls for Butler, I dont like him and dont think that he fills a need. I value Davis more than Butler. You want to trade Hammel, Matusz, and Johnson for someone(not that you have mentioned this, but others have) then I would want a 2B or a LF instead of a DH. If you are getting Reynolds back on a better contract and picking up a LF, then what would you do with Davis? I may be under valuing Butler, but I think some people are giving up way too much for a position of less concern. If he was a LF, I am in, but the guy simply cant field.

[Il BuonO]

A pitcher with a career 19-23 record and 5.33 ERA would be too much for a 27 year old MOO hitter with a .300/.362/.468 career batting line and 3 reasonably priced years left on his contract? DH or not, there isn't a GM living, dead, or unborn that would hesitate 2 seconds before making that deal. Try not to sound like too much of a Homer...

You're factoring in his career W-L record as a measure of value? That has been pretty much put to rest as a standard tool of measure and if you can't recognize that Tillman was a different pitcher than he was to the point where he obviously turned it around last year then I don't know what to tell you. For how many years is Tillman under control? That isn't homerism that's recognizing value in your backyard. I like Butler but I'm not willing to give up Tillman just when he may have turned the corner for a one dimensional player. I don't think DD will either let alone you arguing that any other GM wouldn't hesitate to make the deal.

[TradeAngelos]

The thing with Tillman that makes it hard is that we have him under control for the next 5 years through 2017. If I am DD he goes nowhere for at least another year, because if you let him go now and he carries over his success into 2013.....for another team.....it would be a disaster. Can't take that risk unless the team who takes him puts a pretty high value on him because of the contract situation.