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His unsustainably low HR/FB, his inability to get lefties out, his declining velocity and accompanying declining K/9, his high flyball tendencies, his very poor track record prior to this year, his move from a neutral park to an extreme hitters' park (especially for LHB), his WHIP of over 1.4 (bottom ten among qualified AL starters), his SIERA of 4.50 (bottom ten among qualified MLB starters), his awful changeup. Any one or two of these would be a red flag. All of them combined is a gigantic flashing sign that says STAY AWAY.

I mean, I'm not crazy about the K-Rod trade, because I don't like trading for relievers or rentals and definitely not rental relievers, but Rodriguez has a track record of being a good pitcher, which Norris doesn't. And if Rodriguez's value is inflated, then what's Norris?

What is the SIERA for the rest of our starters? I can't find that stat. I mean, I can find FIP and xFIP, etc but I can't find SIERA. I'm just curious, because according to FIP, Tillman should have a near 5 ERA, but I guess that is why they play the games, and not just go by numbers.

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Sox gave up slightly more to get Peavy, but he is the better pitcher (if he can stay off the DL). Better walk rate, hits per nine, better strike out rates, and effective against both lefties & righties... and he is doing all this in the tougher league.

He will improve the Sox's chance of winning the division more than Norris will improve ours (and isn't that what trades at the deadline are all about?)

Tougher league? The Astros are in the AL.

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Tougher league? The Astros are in the AL.

Yeah...I had to read the following like 4-5 times,

His declining K's can partly be explained by moving from the NL to the AL and not facing a pitcher 2-3 times a game.

...because I couldn't figure out what in the world he was talking about. I completely forgot Houston was in the AL now. :o

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What is the SIERA for the rest of our starters? I can't find that stat. I mean, I can find FIP and xFIP, etc but I can't find SIERA. I'm just curious, because according to FIP, Tillman should have a near 5 ERA, but I guess that is why they play the games, and not just go by numbers.

Here you go.

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Feldman > Norris

Anyone else agree?

The road Norris or the home Norris? The odd-year Feldman, or the even-year Feldman? The so far in 2013 Norris, or the career Norris? If you judge Norris by his road record with a NL-to-AL career adjustment you could probably argue he's worse than Jake Arrieta. There's a lot of overlapping and contradictory information that could push your choice pretty significantly either way.

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So, what do you make of a stat that has Jason Hammel at 4.66 and Chen at 4.57? That essentially says that the two are pretty close to each other in performance this year, no?

According to that stat, Scott Feldman is the best starting pitcher on the Orioles.

I think that most pitchers with the peripheral stats of Chen and Hammel end up with pretty similar results. Chen is not pitching (overall) like someone with a sub-3.00 ERA. His strikeout rate is significantly down from last year, his walk rate is a bit better, and his HR/FB rate is about as low as you'll see.

I'd suggest you use xFIP/FIP/SIERA as a jumping off point to explain why traditional results don't always add up to peripherials, but can be a vector in the direction of likely future results.

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27 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Is he going to start or relieve?    I know he's been starting in the minors.   

They have a double header on Tuesday.

As for starting in the minors, last couple of starts he has only been going two innings in an effort to control his workload.

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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

They have a double header on Tuesday.

As for starting in the minors, last couple of starts he has only been going two innings in an effort to control his workload.

He will pitch out of the bullpen, at least initially.

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