Is it too early to call the J.J. Hardy extension a mistake?

[Aristotelian]

Yes, it is still too soon to say. Another season just like this one and his contract will have been worth it (but we'd still need to see if his option gets exercised and whether it's worth it. Another season like 2015 and his contract will not have been worth it. But it certainly was premature to judge it last year.

I had forgotten all about the option, which is listed as a vesting option. Does anyone know the details? The only information I can find says that it will be guaranteed in 2018 if he reaches a "certain number of plate appearances". Is it an overall number or just 2017 PAs?

[TradeAngelos]

I had forgotten all about the option, which is listed as a vesting option. Does anyone know the details? The only information I can find says that it will be guaranteed in 2018 if he reaches a "certain number of plate appearances". Is it an overall number or just 2017 PAs?

2018 Option Vests:

600 PA in 2017

1,150 PA over 2016-17

[backwardsk]

2018 Option Vests:

600 PA in 2017

1,150 PA over 2016-17

Is this an AND or an OR situation?

He had 438 PAs last season.

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[TradeAngelos]

Is this an AND or an OR situation?

He had 438 PAs last season.

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Or.

He has very little shot of it vesting, hasn't had over 600 PA since 2013, would need to play in ~150 games to hit it.

[Can_of_corn]

Or.

He has very little shot of it vesting, hasn't had over 600 PA since 2013, would need to play in ~150 games to hit it.

If he's healthy Buck is putting him out there for 160.

[TradeAngelos]

If he's healthy Buck is putting him out there for 160.

He's only been healthy enough to do it 4x in 12 years. I'm not banking on that happening again at 34 years old, 4 years removed from the last time.

[Can_of_corn]

He's only been healthy enough to do it 4x in 12 years. I'm not banking on that happening again at 34 years old, 4 years removed from the last time.

I don't think so either, just pointing out that Buck won't get in the way of the option vesting.

[Aristotelian]

He's only been healthy enough to do it 4x in 12 years. I'm not banking on that happening again at 34 years old, 4 years removed from the last time.

Players have a way of gutting it out when they stand to be guaranteed $14M.

[Can_of_corn]

Players have a way of gutting it out when they stand to be guaranteed $14M.

Any supporting evidence for that claim or just supposition?

Edit- I would have gone with something like 14 million is a heck of an incentive to not miss games.

[25 Nuggets]

Yeah, J.J.'s played hurt plenty during his career. Heck he should have missed more games last year when he couldn't hit to save his life. If he can play he's gonna play.

[Frobby]

I don't think so either, just pointing out that Buck won't get in the way of the option vesting.

Almost no chance it vests even if he's healthy. Looking at his PA/game the last two years, he'd have to play 158 games to reach 600 PA. That's not going to happen. Frankly, if Hardy plays 150+ games we'll probably exercise his option in any event.

[Can_of_corn]

Almost no chance it vests even if he's healthy. Looking at his PA/game the last two years, he'd have to play 158 games to reach 600 PA. That's not going to happen. Frankly, if Hardy plays 150+ games we'll probably exercise his option in any event.

Unless Buck hits him second.

[Frobby]

Unless Buck hits him second.

I think he's learned his lesson on that one.

[jabba72]

600 PA's is almost impossible for Hardy because of where he hits in the lineup. Even if Hardy somehow plays 155 games he may not get 600 PA's. I do think he had a great season this year.

[Spy Fox]

600 PA's is almost impossible for Hardy because of where he hits in the lineup. Even if Hardy somehow plays 155 games he may not get 600 PA's. I do think he had a great season this year.

I was curious whether this was true or not, so I tried to find out. Found one blog post about it here that says that the #9 spot in 2009 averaged about 620 PAs over the course of the season. I didn't check the research myself but that sounds plausible. So it's possible for someone at the bottom of the lineup to get over 600 PAs, but they'd have to play almost every game.