Keegan Akin 2021

[wildcard]

4 minutes ago, Three Run Homer said:

I won't give up on them yet either, but it's clear that they were rushed.  None of these pitchers have had any sustained success at AAA.  Akin had a 4.73 ERA at Norfolk in 2019.  Kremer's ERAs at Norfolk have been 8.84 in 2019 and 6.23 in 2021.  Lowther had no experience at Norfolk until this year, and his ERA there is 6.93.  Alex Wells has a 4.19 ERA at Norfolk this year, so he's arguably more ready for a shot, but even then you'd like someone to have more success at AAA before calling him up.  Kevin Smith (3.63 ERA in 4 starts) may be more deserving than Wells, although let's see if he can sustain his performance for a few more starts.  

I think the jump from AA to AAA is especially hard on pitchers due to the differences in the baseball as well as talent level.  We can't assume that someone is almost ready for the majors just because they are having success at Bowie.  Bradish absolutely dominated at Bowie but he is struggling now at Norfolk, while Baumann, GrayRod and DL Hall haven't even seen Norfolk yet. 

The O's shouldn't ticket any of these guys for a slot in the major league rotation next year--let them prove that they can succeed at Norfolk first, and sign some placeholders over the offseason so that we don't have to rush anyone.  

Too early to know that is the right direction IMO.  Let's see what happens the rest of the season.

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, Three Run Homer said:

I won't give up on them yet either, but it's clear that they were rushed.  None of these pitchers have had any sustained success at AAA.  Akin had a 4.73 ERA at Norfolk in 2019.  Kremer's ERAs at Norfolk have been 8.84 in 2019 and 6.23 in 2021.  Lowther had no experience at Norfolk until this year, and his ERA there is 6.93.  Alex Wells has a 4.19 ERA at Norfolk this year, so he's arguably more ready for a shot, but even then you'd like someone to have more success at AAA before calling him up.  Kevin Smith (3.63 ERA in 4 starts) may be more deserving than Wells, although let's see if he can sustain his performance for a few more starts.  

I think the jump from AA to AAA is especially hard on pitchers due to the differences in the baseball as well as talent level.  We can't assume that someone is almost ready for the majors just because they are having success at Bowie.  Bradish absolutely dominated at Bowie but he is struggling now at Norfolk, while Baumann, GrayRod and DL Hall haven't even seen Norfolk yet. 

The O's shouldn't ticket any of these guys for a slot in the major league rotation next year--let them prove that they can succeed at Norfolk first, and sign some placeholders over the offseason so that we don't have to rush anyone.  

It isn't clear they were rushed.

They just might not be that good.

[Three Run Homer]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

It isn't clear they were rushed.

They just might not be that good.

I agree that they might not be that good, but I think it's clear they were rushed, if you believe that a player should show competence if not dominance at AAA before being promoted to the majors--which should be a requirement for pitchers at least, given the quirks of the baseball.  

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Three Run Homer said:

I agree that they might not be that good, but I think it's clear they were rushed, if you believe that a player should show competence if not dominance at AAA before being promoted to the majors--which should be a requirement for pitchers at least, given the quirks of the baseball.  

I don't believe AAA is a necessary step in all cases.

[Moose Milligan]

40 minutes ago, Three Run Homer said:

I agree that they might not be that good, but I think it's clear they were rushed, if you believe that a player should show competence if not dominance at AAA before being promoted to the majors--which should be a requirement for pitchers at least, given the quirks of the baseball.  

You can make all the excuses you want for a guy like this. But at some point, he’s gonna get it or he isn’t, “rushed” or not. 
 

 

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

Akin's 26 years old and had 24 starts at Norfolk in 2019. I think it's more a case of this guy isn't good enough to be a MLB starter than not developing him properly.  

 

[Frobby]

45 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Akin's 26 years old and had 24 starts at Norfolk in 2019. I think it's more a case of this guy isn't good enough to be a MLB starter than not developing him properly.  

 

To me he’s obviously taken a step back from last year, when he looked decent enough.   I do think he’s had plenty of AAA experience.   But something hadn’t been right with his command this year, almost from day one of spring training.   

[Pushmonkey]

Simply put a move must be done today. But it’s not so that shows that the team don’t care 

[Can_of_corn]

19 minutes ago, Pushmonkey said:

Simply put a move must be done today. But it’s not so that shows that the team don’t care 

They do care, about the 2022 draft pick.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

26 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

They do care, about the 2022 draft pick.

I wonder if Elias can’t sleep at night that despite his best (or worst?) efforts that the O’s are currently trailing the Diamondbacks six games in the loss column.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

I wonder if Elias can’t sleep at night that despite his best (or worst?) efforts that the O’s are currently trailing the Diamondbacks six games in the loss column.

He strikes me as the sleeps four hours max a night guy anyway.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

He strikes me as the sleeps four hours max a night guy anyway.

Agreed, Elias is not yet 40 years old and his hair is completely gray. I think he goes home to spend time with family, otherwise he’s at the warehouse. 

[OriolesMagic83]

58 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

They do care, about the 2022 draft pick.

Got to get that #1 pick, so the O's can pick the 15th best player.

[Aristotelian]

4 hours ago, Three Run Homer said:

I agree that they might not be that good, but I think it's clear they were rushed, if you believe that a player should show competence if not dominance at AAA before being promoted to the majors--which should be a requirement for pitchers at least, given the quirks of the baseball.  

I don't think a player that spends a full year at AAA can be said to be rushed. That sounds more like not very good. 

[Aristotelian]

2 hours ago, Frobby said:

To me he’s obviously taken a step back from last year, when he looked decent enough.   I do think he’s had plenty of AAA experience.   But something hadn’t been right with his command this year, almost from day one of spring training.   

Wasn't there some innuendo that he reported to camp out of shape?