Corbin Carroll 8/111….

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Brooks The Great said:

The Pirates model clearly hasn't worked, so I don't see why or how Elias or Orioles ownership would try to emulate the Pirates.

I bet the Pirates are profitable.

[Moose Milligan]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

I bet the Pirates are profitable.

I bet the Pirates would be more profitable if they won games.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Moose Milligan said:

I bet the Pirates would be more profitable if they won games.

When were the O's the most profitable?

[Moose Milligan]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

When were the O's the most profitable?

I'm sure you'll tell me.

[Going Underground]

18 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I bet the Pirates are profitable.

Even after the contract extension with Hayes? 

[Bird Is The Word]

Not surprising but also doesn't mean we will do the same with the owner we have let's be honest.

[Can_of_corn]

21 minutes ago, Going Underground said:

Even after the contract extension with Hayes? 

Yes.

[HakunaSakata]

The Orioles should offer Henderson the same deal as Carroll and Rutschman a bit more (8 yrs / $120M?). I doubt Henderson signs though because he's repped by Boras. Same with Holliday unfortunately. 

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, HakunaSakata said:

The Orioles should offer Henderson the same deal as Carroll and Rutschman a bit more (8 yrs / $120M?). I doubt Henderson signs though because he's repped by Boras. Same with Holliday unfortunately. 

We’ll see..I don’t think we get the cheaper 9th year option but an 8 year deal still has Gunnar being a FA at a young-ish age and he could still get a major deal then.

 

[HakunaSakata]

4 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

We’ll see..I don’t think we get the cheaper 9th year option but an 8 year deal still has Gunnar being a FA at a young-ish age and he could still get a major deal then.

 

I guess there's a "chance" with Henderson, but probably not much of one with Holliday. He comes from money so I can't imagine he cares much about having (or needing) a safety net. Our only hope is that he falls in love with the City / team, but it's probably a long shot. I guess these are all things the team needs to really consider as they determine who they want to trade to fill other needs. 

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, HakunaSakata said:

I guess there's a "chance" with Henderson, but probably not much of one with Holliday. He comes from money so I can't imagine he cares much about having (or needing) a safety net. Our only hope is that he falls in love with the City / team, but it's probably a long shot. I guess these are all things the team needs to really consider as they determine who they want to trade to fill other needs. 

I disagree about Holliday. That’s not his money. 
 

On top of that, he could sign an 8 year deal and be a FA at age 28. That’s the same age as most FAs. He can easily get a massive contract.

What you won’t see Boras guys do is sign a 10 year deal. It’s either 7-8 years or 15. Nothing in between.

It’s not like Boras clients haven’t signed extensions before.

Edited March 12, 2023 by Sports Guy

[MGH5208]

12 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

 

What you won’t see Boras guys do is sign a 10 year deal. It’s either 7-8 years or 15. Nothing in between.

 

as long as you ignore guys like Cole, Seager, etc

 

[OriolesMagic83]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm worried we end up with the Pirates' model.

More likely the A's model.  Need to get a big tarp for the upper deck.

[geschinger]

10 hours ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

My fear is we’re headed more towards the Tampa Bay Rays model and we’ll see Adley traded before free agency instead of an early extension.

I hope to be proven wrong on this take. 

That's always a fear until we see how things play out. I still think we'll see more of an Astros model.  Occasional extension but a willingness to let players walk away rather than commit to deals into players mid 30s and beyond.  Maybe it's wishful thinking, but this is the approach I hope the Orioles take.  

If a player is willing to buy out a year or two of FA (or more) they have done extensions (Altuve/Bregman) but have also been also perfectly willing to let guys like Correa and Springer play out their years of control and either let them walk or trade them at the tail end of that. They've shown a good level of discipline without being swayed by fans reactions.

[geschinger]

8 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

What you won’t see Boras guys do is sign a 10 year deal. It’s either 7-8 years or 15. Nothing in between.

It’s not like Boras clients haven’t signed extensions before.

Boras has been vocal about his distaste for extensions buying out arb and free agent years that 'snuff out' the market.  I can't recall any that he's done but maybe I forgetting someone.  Did you have any of the 7-8 year ones in mind that would give some hope that there is potential to do that with one of the Orioles pre-arb players or prospects?