Gunnar Henderson 2023

[dystopia]

5 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

I don't think all of them are staying and you will see one of them traded this off-season.

You mean one of Westburg or Ortiz is getting traded. Gunnar and Holliday absolutely are not.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

Just now, dystopia said:

You mean one of Westburg or Ortiz is getting traded. Gunnar and Holliday absolutely are not.

Well I think that goes without saying.

[dystopia]

2 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Well I think that goes without saying.

If he flips one for a good, controllable starter this offseason we would honestly have a heck of a rotation. Gray-Rod, Bradish, Means, Kremer, and an acquisition.

[George Zuverink]

1 hour ago, dystopia said:

If he flips one for a good, controllable starter this offseason we would honestly have a heck of a rotation. Gray-Rod, Bradish, Means, Kremer, and an acquisition.

That comment reminds me of how much most of us were sleeping on how Bradish and Kremer had begun to emerge at the end of 2022.

[George Zuverink]

4 minutes ago, George Zuverink said:

That comment reminds me of how much most of us were sleeping on how Bradish and Kremer had begun to emerge at the end of 2022.

Just to follow up on my own comment, in 2022 they had a total of  14 Quality Starts all season; so far this year they've had 26.

[Frobby]

17 hours ago, George Zuverink said:

Just to follow up on my own comment, in 2022 they had a total of  14 Quality Starts all season; so far this year they've had 26.

They are learning.  Still getting better.  

[Alasdaire]

Gunnar made the kind of error today that would give any manager night terrors going into October. Tie game in the ninth inning, and Gunnar takes a ground ball that many shortstops turn into an out into a questionable spin move wild throw into the dugout to gift the Rockies the equivalent of a leadoff double. A couple more ground balls to advance and score the runner and the O's lose by one.

I seriously wonder how comfortable Hyde is with Gunnar at short in the playoffs. Is it unfair to expect that a big league shortstop knows the pitcher on the mound (Yennier) is an extreme ground ball pitcher and so putting that ball in your pocket or at least sacrificing some mustard on the throw for the sake of accuracy are acceptable outcomes because it preserves the double play? Shortstop has far more responsibilities than third. That position is more than just physicality, and a rookie is prone to making mental mistakes. 10 errors on the year for Gunnar.

[Frobby]

29 minutes ago, Alasdaire said:

Gunnar made the kind of error today that would give any manager night terrors going into October. Tie game in the ninth inning, and Gunnar takes a ground ball that many shortstops turn into an out into a questionable spin move wild throw into the dugout to gift the Rockies the equivalent of a leadoff double. A couple more ground balls to advance and score the runner and the O's lose by one.

I seriously wonder how comfortable Hyde is with Gunnar at short in the playoffs. Is it unfair to expect that a big league shortstop knows the pitcher on the mound (Yennier) is an extreme ground ball pitcher and so putting that ball in your pocket or at least sacrificing some mustard on the throw for the sake of accuracy are acceptable outcomes because it preserves the double play? Shortstop has far more responsibilities than third. That position is more than just physicality, and a rookie is prone to making mental mistakes. 10 errors on the year for Gunnar.

10 errors is not a lot.  He’s played excellent defense the last several months.  He made an error today, it happens. 

[Flash- bd]

9 minutes ago, Frobby said:

10 errors is not a lot.  He’s played excellent defense the last several months.  He made an error today, it happens. 

Times like these make me proud to call myself a frobbyite! 

[Alasdaire]

22 minutes ago, Frobby said:

10 errors is not a lot.  He’s played excellent defense the last several months.  He made an error today, it happens. 

10 errors isn't a little either.

All due respect, but I think if you brush the error that Gunnar made today under the rug as just another play in a 162 game season, you're too detached from the reality of in-game situations. That play directly led to the Orioles losing the game in a way that was preventable. I don't see it as just another data point, and I highly doubt the managers/players do either.

[Three Run Homer]

Did Gunnar even need to spin in order to make a throw?  Why didn't he just plant his left foot and turn towards first base while throwing? 

It was a terrible play and it cost us the game.  To be fair, he won us the game on Friday.    

[ChosenOne21]

28 minutes ago, Alasdaire said:

10 errors isn't a little either.

All due respect, but I think if you brush the error that Gunnar made today under the rug as just another play in a 162 game season, you're too detached from the reality of in-game situations. That play directly led to the Orioles losing the game in a way that was preventable. I don't see it as just another data point, and I highly doubt the managers/players do either.

So what should we do about Gunnar's error today? Start Mateo at SS in the playoffs?

[Frobby]

39 minutes ago, Alasdaire said:

10 errors isn't a little either.

All due respect, but I think if you brush the error that Gunnar made today under the rug as just another play in a 162 game season, you're too detached from the reality of in-game situations. That play directly led to the Orioles losing the game in a way that was preventable. I don't see it as just another data point, and I highly doubt the managers/players do either.

Did you watch Mateo in July?  He screwed up about 4-5 times on important late-inning plays.  Fortunately, he’s settled down recently.  But it’s not like Gunnar is the first guy to make an important misplay at SS.  

[emmett16]

48 minutes ago, Alasdaire said:

10 errors isn't a little either.

All due respect, but I think if you brush the error that Gunnar made today under the rug as just another play in a 162 game season, you're too detached from the reality of in-game situations. That play directly led to the Orioles losing the game in a way that was preventable. I don't see it as just another data point, and I highly doubt the managers/players do either.

I'm gonna give him a pass and chalk it up to a learning experience.  He doesn't seem like the stubborn know-it-all type.  He screwed up for sure and I bet he'd be the first person to tell you.  

[Aristotelian]

28 minutes ago, Alasdaire said:

10 errors isn't a little either.

All due respect, but I think if you brush the error that Gunnar made today under the rug as just another play in a 162 game season, you're too detached from the reality of in-game situations. That play directly led to the Orioles losing the game in a way that was preventable. I don't see it as just another data point, and I highly doubt the managers/players do either.

No one is disputing that was an awful play. The question is whether Gunnar has made enough of those to justify moving him off SS. As another data point, JJ averaged about 8.5 errors/year for us. Some other playoff team SS, 2023 and career high:

 

Seager 6 (career high 18)

Pena 12 (19)

Bichette 8 (24)

Franco 9 (9)

Arcia 7 (20)

Crawford 14 (14)

Turner 14 (16)

Adames 12 (17)

Rojas 6 (11)

Tons of noise there but Gunnar is in the range where we want him to be. I do think he has a tendency to airmail his throws and that's something he needs to work on. Other than that he is playing the position at a high level.