Jump to content

Pitching to Witt

winston24

By winston24
in Orioles Talk

 Share

Recommended Posts

winston24 Rookie

winston24

Posted
Posted

Hyde's decision pitch to Witt is akin to Buck not using Britton.  Ask yourself this question.....If it had been Judge instead of Witt, does Hyde walk him?  Especially with Pasquantino batting for the first time since late August AND a thumb that isn't fully healed????  

This was a historically bad decision.  Cost us the game.

 

  • Upvote 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
EddeeEddee Major Leaguer

EddeeEddee

Posted
Posted
2 minutes ago, winston24 said:

Hyde's decision pitch to Witt is akin to Buck not using Britton.  Ask yourself this question.....If it had been Judge instead of Witt, does Hyde walk him?  Especially with Pasquantino batting for the first time since late August AND a thumb that isn't fully healed????  

This was a historically bad decision.  Cost us the game.

 

Not getting a single run cost us the game.

  • Upvote 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Aristotelian Hangout Grand Counsel

Aristotelian

Posted
Posted

It didn't work out but you can also imagine a scenario where Pasquantino draws a walk and then Perez puts the game completely out of reach. I would have been fine with walking him but I also get why he didn't. If you believe your offense can score a run then it's the right decision. Burnes has to pitch around Witt but he gave him a fat one close to middle middle.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
emmett16 Hangout Grand Counsel

emmett16

Posted
Posted
5 minutes ago, winston24 said:

Hyde's decision pitch to Witt is akin to Buck not using Britton.  Ask yourself this question.....If it had been Judge instead of Witt, does Hyde walk him?  Especially with Pasquantino batting for the first time since late August AND a thumb that isn't fully healed????  

This was a historically bad decision.  Cost us the game.

 

Technically it only cost us a tie. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Spy Fox Hangout Veteran Council

Spy Fox

Posted
Posted

I wouldn’t put it in the same conversation with the Britton decision, for several reasons. 

I don’t even mind the choice not to IBB, but it ought to have been a true pitch around. An unfortunate moment of missed execution from Burnes. Should have had less of the plate, and been less similar to the prior first pitches to Witt. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Tbone83 Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

Tbone83

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, winston24 said:

Hyde's decision pitch to Witt is akin to Buck not using Britton.  Ask yourself this question.....If it had been Judge instead of Witt, does Hyde walk him?  Especially with Pasquantino batting for the first time since late August AND a thumb that isn't fully healed????  

This was a historically bad decision.  Cost us the game.

 

Not even in the same stratosphere as Buck/Britton. Was it the best idea? No. Neither was walking the 9 hitter and letting him steal 2nd.

That said, the clutchless offense and horrible at bats are what lost this game, I don't think 10 years from now anyone is going to be listing pitching to Bobby Witt as an all-time Oriole blunder. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Sports Guy Hangout Grand Counsel

Sports Guy

Posted
Posted

I was pissed we pitched to him too…but let’s face it, Witt put the ball in play but he got lucky on that hit. Adley had a similar ball yesterday…but he hit 10 MPh harder and just so happened to be closer to the SS hole, so Witt was able to get to it.

Even yesterday, it was just a well placed IF single.

They got the breaks and we didn’t…but they also didn’t K a ton, weren’t swinging and missing all the time and put the bat on the ball. Good things happen when you do that.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Can_of_corn Hangout Grand Counsel

Can_of_corn

Posted
Posted
Just now, Moose Milligan said:

OH:  WE NEED AN ACE!!

Elias:  **trades for Burnes**

OH:  OMG OMG OMG WE GOT AN ACE WE CAN COMPETE IN OCTOBER! WE CAN GO AGAINST ANYONE!

**9 months later**

OH:  HOW COULD YOU LET OUR ACE PITCH AGAINST WITT?!?!?!??!

Exactly.

There are reasons that even prime Bonds didn't get walked every time.

Giving the other team baserunners is a losing proposition over the long haul. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Moose Milligan Hangout Grand Counsel

Moose Milligan

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Exactly.

There are reasons that even prime Bonds didn't get walked every time.

Giving the other team baserunners is a losing proposition over the long haul. 

And Witt isn't even prime Bonds.  Be it '93 Bonds or roided out of his head 2001 Bonds.

Corbin Burnes hasn't issued an intentional walk since 2018. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
sportsfan8703 Hangout Grand Counsel

sportsfan8703

Posted
Posted
4 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

OH:  WE NEED AN ACE!!

Elias:  **trades for Burnes**

OH:  OMG OMG OMG WE GOT AN ACE WE CAN COMPETE IN OCTOBER! WE CAN GO AGAINST ANYONE!

**9 months later**

OH:  HOW COULD YOU LET OUR ACE PITCH AGAINST WITT?!?!?!??!

Eh, you’re not wrong, but just  because you can have a pissing match of Burnes vs Witt, doesn’t mean you have to. Same with Cano vs Witt. 

Sometimes you literally circle their one good hitter and say he won’t beat us. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Moose Milligan Hangout Grand Counsel

Moose Milligan

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Eh, you’re not wrong, but just  because you can have a pissing match of Burnes vs Witt, doesn’t mean you have to. Same with Cano vs Witt. 

Sometimes you literally circle their one good hitter and say he won’t beat us. 

Corbin Burnes hasn't issued an intentional walk since 2018.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
sportsfan8703 Hangout Grand Counsel

sportsfan8703

Posted
Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Corbin Burnes hasn't issued an intentional walk since 2018.

Yeah thanks for pointing that out. It also wasn’t disagreeing with you. Just pointing out that the pissing contest could be avoided.

There will be all offseason to disagree.  Haha

Maybe that tone is how Hyde has gotten us to arrive early and play over are heads the last two years in the regular season?  

Edited by sportsfan8703
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing


  • Posts

    • Grt 2BA FL Gator
      Ryan Mountcastle 2024

      By Grt 2BA FL Gator · Posted

      I think Mountcastle is the foremost person hurt by Walltimore. I honestly think we need to reconsider what type of right handed batters we throw out there. More Luis Arraez or someone with high OBP. I could see Mountcastle having a revival somewhere else. But not sure it’s really working here anymore, even though he was solid last year. 
    • baltfan
      Where are the pollyannas?

      By baltfan · Posted

      Who is the real MOO bat though?  I can't think of one other than Soto available.  I am all in on Soto, but I don't think the Orioles will even sniff him.  Absent Soto, who do you look to acquire? I agree that it is time to move on from Tony and Mounty, but I do think you are a little harsh on Tony.  He has won a number of games for this team in the clutch.  He is just prone to cold spells.  
    • Aristotelian
      Orioles try to come to grips with another playoff sweep and pending losses within clubhouse

      By Aristotelian · Posted

      OK, there won't be 30 making actual bids but Burnes is free to sign with any team at the highest price. There is one very big reason he won't sign with us, which is money. We do have payroll flexibility but that evaporates if we put $40m/year in one player. I would love this if it happens but my expectations are very low. Even if we are "one of the favorites", say the final four, we only have a 25% chance. Probably lower if any of the others are in larger markets. So I have to agree with Roch's assessment. 
    • waroriole
      Ryan Mountcastle 2024

      By waroriole · Posted

      In that case the question could be do we pay Mountcastle 6-7M or do we pay a AAAA guy league minimum and use his money on RP. The purpose of keeping Mountcastle was the hope he would eventually break out and have a career year. He’s regressing offensively and the odds of that breakout are shrinking. 
    • casadeozo
      Colton Cowser 2024

      By casadeozo · Posted

      With his season now over, curious what happened to the version of Cowser we drafted. looking at his scouting report coming out of Sam Houston State, the concern with him was would his power translate to MLB while his plate discipline and ability to draw walks being a plus. Certainly were concerns about the strikeouts but nowhere near the concerns of someone like Honeycutt.    He finishes the year with 52 walks and 172 strikeouts, with a 30% K rate. He was near the top of the league in strikeouts for most of the year.  is this purely his issues with off speed pitches? Can this be improved or do we accept the awful strikeouts and laud the plus defense.
    • LookitsPuck
      Elias and Hyde address the media today

      By LookitsPuck · Posted

      I want to also address the Harper point. I'm talking about RISP, not "late and close". We can talk about high leverage/late and close in a diff convo, but strictly RISP: Bryce Harper 2023: 272/.803 2024: 331/ 1.122 2023 was a goofy year for Harper coming off of Tommy John. He looked good in April, but was a disaster in May/June before finishing the season on fire that year. I don't think he's a good case study for your example. Besides, I'm not talking singular player performance. I'm talking as a team which is far less susceptible to SSS and "chance". FWIW, I do think luck somewhat plays into this.  But let's look at this as a team. 1,298 AB with RISP for the O's this year. A 251 BA. Last year they hit 287. That's a 36 point difference. Yeah, only 3.6%. But let's look at what 3.6% means with that many AB. That means: 47 extra hits. I don't believe that 47 hits explains "luck" or "chance". Maybe for certain hitters in certain situations. There is an element of BABIP here. In 2024, it was 317. This year? 289. So, if we truly believe 300 is league average, they were a little unlucky this year, and somewhat lucky last year. But we are still talking about a dramatic dropoff. Now, is that because of playing more rookies this year? Because of the injuries? Very possibly. And in a 2 game series that can rear its ugly head. But there was nothing unlucky about yesterday or the day before. They just came up completely empty. Maybe the only unlucky situations were Ramon and Westy rips being caught.
    • turtlebowl
      Where are the pollyannas?

      By turtlebowl · Posted

      I mentioned this once before but if you follow high end D1 softball the game has changed dramatically because the pitching is so dominate.  The theory is, you aren't going to score a bunch of runs by stringing singles together so most top programs only recruit athletes with game changing power or speed.  The speed aspect is important because you can turn a single into a double by stealing so now it only takes 2 hits to score a run instead of 3.   The O's lower minors seem to be stacked with guys that can steal bases so maybe that will be the change in philosophy moving forward.   It is just a thought but maybe the organization see's the pitching trend that is dominating because of the bullpen usage and OBP and runs scored across the board are down.  So stack your team with power and or speed and not much else matters.

  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...