Sunday August 8: Orioles vs Rays

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, LA2 said:

Late 2020 season results seemed to suggest that something would emerge from Kremer, Akin, and Zimmerman. Harvey seemed poised for a comeback, according to those who worked closely with him in the off-season. So there was something, not nothing. A lot of things didn't work out this year, just like they haven't so far for the Mets and, until recently, the Phillies.

If anyone really thought Harvey was poised for a comeback he would have received a more inciting offer than the one the O's gave him. 

Someone like Harvey or King Felix doesn't suit up for the O's if they have other ML offers on the table.

[eddie83]

Just now, spiritof66 said:

Since we'll never know, this is (as Bob and Ray would say) strictly hypocritical. But if Elias is trying to win fewer big-league games (and I recognize he's probably under severe budget strictures from ownership, and he's permitted to delay promotions as the CBA encourages him to do), it's my opinion that he should be fired and never work for an ML team again. The GM's job is to try to build a team, under the circumstances and with the limitations imposed on him, as many games as possible. Once you allow teams not to do that, you've undermined the basis of the sport. I realize that most people don't agree with me, and that's OK with me.

Not trying to be an ass but this this makes no sense. 
 

If ownership wasn’t on board they wouldn’t let it happen. 

[Gurgi]

2 minutes ago, spiritof66 said:

Since we'll never know, this is (as Bob and Ray would say) strictly hypocritical. But if Elias is trying to win fewer big-league games (and I recognize he's probably under severe budget strictures from ownership, and he's permitted to delay promotions as the CBA encourages him to do), it's my opinion that he should be fired and never work for an ML team again. The GM's job is to try to build a team, under the circumstances and with the limitations imposed on him, as many games as possible. Once you allow teams not to do that, you've undermined the basis of the sport. I realize that most people don't agree with me, and that's OK with me.

Elias is from Houston a team that famously tanked for three straight years then got very good.  Elias is just doing what he was taught works.  Tanking works.   

[LA2]

4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

If anyone really thought Harvey was poised for a comeback he would have received a more inciting offer than the one the O's gave him. 

Someone like Harvey or King Felix doesn't suit up for the O's if they have other ML offers on the table.

Must be that the other teams didn't want to wait around until the second half of the season for the promised Harvey rebirth! (J/K)

[eddie83]

Hope Tony is getting going. He still isn’t moving well but he is better hitter than he has shown.  

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Gurgi said:

Elias is from Houston a team that famously tanked for three straight years then got very good.  Elias is just doing what he was taught works.  Tanking works.   

Kinda.

Would you say it worked in Philly?

[spiritof66]

 

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

If anyone really thought Harvey was poised for a comeback he would have received a more inciting offer than the one the O's gave him. 

Someone like Harvey or King Felix doesn't suit up for the O's if they have other ML offers on the table.

That's probably true, but I would put the Pirates and the D-backs in the same category. 

And it wouldn't surprise me if Harvey or Felix chose the O's over a "real" team that wanted them to pitch out of the bullpen.

[LA2]

Tie run on-deck. Franco will deliver.

[LA2]

Just now, LA2 said:

Tie run on-deck. Franco will deliver.

In the future! (In the past?)

[Tony-OH]

36 minutes ago, Philip said:

Man you need to go buy some lotto tickets because you’re definitely seeing the future.

Lol, I would say my odds were pretty good when you look at this bullpen.

[spiritof66]

Just now, LA2 said:

Tie run on-deck. Franco will deliver.

You nailed it, if by "deliver" you meant "trot all the way to first base."

[LA2]

The baseball video games I used to play in arcades in Honolulu and Seoul always beat me like that. Tons of runs in the late innings.

[HowAboutThat]

25 minutes ago, Gurgi said:

Yes I think Elias prefers the Orioles to lose while he is doing the rebuild.  You can tell the easiest he wants us to lose when you remember he did nothing for our starting pitching in the offseason.  He intentionally went into the season with a bunch of AA guys who had maybe a little time at AAA.  It did not take a genius to realize we were built to lose.  And lose we are. 

I have frequently suggested that Mike is deliberately making decisions that will keep the big team from improving. That’s a terrible thing to suggest, but it’s not an unreasonable conclusion, based on what has been done this season. We are actually worse than 2019.

[LA2]

Just now, spiritof66 said:

You nailed it, if by "deliver" you meant "trot all the way to first base."

Oh you of little faith! haha

Meh, the Rays are (a) AL champs and (b) in first place. Stuff like this is supposed to happen.

[HowAboutThat]

4 minutes ago, spiritof66 said:

 

That's probably true, but I would put the Pirates and the D-backs in the same category. 

And it wouldn't surprise me if Harvey or Felix chose the O's over a "real" team that wanted them to pitch out of the bullpen.

Nobody was interested in Felix, and we should not have been either. He was a great great great player, but he’s done and everybody knows it except for him and the Os.