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This team is done as a playoff contender so it's time to play guys they need to evaluate and gain experience. Aguilar never had a role on this team and has done exactly what he was doing with the Marlins, nothing. Stowers should be in the lineup on most days and Vavra as well.  I don't know Vavra has a role on the 2023 team, but its time to give him everyday at bats now. Stowers needs experience seeing major league pitching and he hits lefties well, so he should be in the lineup on most day

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3 minutes ago, Gurgi said:

At least Stowers seems a little better than DJ Stewart.  And Stowers was only a third round pick and DJ went in the  back of the first round.   After seeing DJ field I could never understand how they could draft him that high.  He was a black hole on defense. 

You weren't watching back when Larry Sheets was out there?

Stewart wasn't good, or even average, and he had a flair for the embarrassing, but he wasn't the worst I've ever seen out there.

As for why?  We have some evidence that Dan drafted for need, they thought that Stewart's ability to get on base would translate.

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This team is done as a playoff contender so it's time to play guys they need to evaluate and gain experience. Aguilar never had a role on this team and has done exactly what he was doing with the Marl

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Westburg doesn't have to be added to the 40-man roster this year so I think they are trying to save a roster spot this offseason. 

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1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

Sounds like you've identified him a a bust already. I'm going to disagree. He needs to be playing every day. he will make the adjustments and his EVs will start to shine through. Playing once ever y 3 to 4 days is tough on guys who have never done that. 

Stowers cut his K rate down significantly in AAA this year and yes, he's got some swing and miss in his game, but this is the time to get him the experience to see if he can be a starter next year. 

I agree with a lot of this. We don’t know anything yet. Hard to get acclimated when you play so sparingly. Honestly, he just looks like the game is moving too fast for him right now. I would not write him off, and I don’t really think Moose was either. Stowers and Vavra both look sketchy on defense. Vavra has a nice short stroke. Stowers’ swing looks very long and his approach has been poor. He really needs to tighten that swing up, at least in certain situations. Looks like he is caught in-between as well. 

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On 9/12/2022 at 4:16 AM, Sports Guy said:

Except Hays gets poor jumps and reads on the ball.

The Orioles defense has been good this year but it can be a lot better on the COF spots.  The Orioles really need a vast position player improvement in the offseason, as well as some pitching upgrades, to truly contend in 2023.

On this topic, Hays defense has taken a nose dive along with his sprint speed.  His reaction time has been about the same since he came up, but he's lost over 1 fps in sprint speed and his home-to-first time is up by almost 0.2 seconds, so he doesn't have the speed to cover for his bad reaction anymore.  I guess those hamstring injuries have taken their toll.

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On this topic, Hays defense has taken a nose dive along with his sprint speed.  His reaction time has been about the same since he came up, but he's lost over 1 fps in sprint speed and his home-to-first time is up by almost 0.2 seconds, so he doesn't have the speed to cover for his bad reaction anymore.  I guess those hamstring injuries have taken their toll.

Defense is a young man's game.

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25 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Defense is a young man's game.

On this topic, I bring in a conversation from last night about djembe players (West African drumming). The person said to play a particular rhythm (Tiriba) now in Guinea, they like it really fast, so for the lead players that pretty much means age 15-25.

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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

From what I've seen 26 is past peak age for defense.

He's also dealt with injuries that have probably had a long term impact.

The aging curve is pretty flat from 24-26.  This is his age 26 season.  It really accelerates after 30.  But there's a lot of individual variation.  I think Hays had hamstring issues, which can obviously hurt your speed.

 

As I say this, Kevin Kiermaier is out there beating out an infield hit at age 32, then chasing down a fly ball from center from 100 feet away.

 

 

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The aging curve is pretty flat from 24-26.  This is his age 26 season.  It really accelerates after 30.  But there's a lot of individual variation.  I think Hays had hamstring issues, which can obviously hurt your speed.

 

As I say this, Kevin Kiermaier is out there beating out an infield hit at age 32, then chasing down a fly ball from center from 100 feet away.

 

 

He's back from being injured?  Good for him.

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He's back from being injured?  Good for him.

My bad, I just assumed he was still playing without checking.  He's out for the year with a hip issue I guess.  I guess this was his last year of being fast!

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6 minutes ago, casadeozo said:

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Stowers still not getting consistent at bats since this thread was started.

I generally don't get Hyde's rationale behind this. The offense looks anemic.

The dumbest part about it is that Stowers has had reverse splits the last two seasons, with .950+ OPS against lefties each of the last two seasons.

Yet, he has gotten 56 plate appearances against righties in the Majors and only one against a lefty, which resulted in a hit by pitch (1.000 OPS!).

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27 minutes ago, casadeozo said:

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Stowers still not getting consistent at bats since this thread was started.

I generally don't get Hyde's rationale behind this. The offense looks anemic.

Basically, he’s played half the time.  He’s been up for 27 games, started 12, played in 17.   (Excluding the June series in Toronto in these numbers.)

Interestingly, the team is 8-4 in his 12 starts.  

Aguilar has been here for 16 games and made 7 starts, and entered another game in the second inning.  

Bottom line, you can’t expect Stowers to play every day given the numerous alternatives.  But I’d certainly like him to be getting most of the at bats going to Aguilar.  

 


 

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