Jackson Holliday 2024

[ChuckS]

9 minutes ago, SilverRocket said:

The weird thing in this thread is how little the service time aspect is mentioned. If you send him down, you keep him for another year. The reason he was brought up before the service time cutoff was the chance for a draft pick if he wins ROY, and the chance of that has gone way down.

I don't think it makes much of a difference in his development which league he's in, but why not just take the extra year at this point? The rest of the impact is minimal in comparison.

I'm not quite there, but I'm close.  If he can't start getting it together in the next week there is too much upside (and not enough downside) not to send him down for a reset.  

[Sports Guy]

13 minutes ago, SilverRocket said:

The weird thing in this thread is how little the service time aspect is mentioned. If you send him down, you keep him for another year. The reason he was brought up before the service time cutoff was the chance for a draft pick if he wins ROY, and the chance of that has gone way down.

I don't think it makes much of a difference in his development which league he's in, but why not just take the extra year at this point? The rest of the impact is minimal in comparison.

That’s going to be the reason I’m ok with it.  

[Billy F-Face3]

Man I really hope we get to see signs of life from Jackson Holliday tonight. It would be so nice if he can play good defense and with get 1 hit or 2 times on base.

[interloper]

Just now, Billy F-Face3 said:

Man I really hope we get to see signs of life from Jackson Holliday tonight. It would be so nice if he can play good defense and with get 1 hit or 2 times on base.

Same. I have a good feeling! Let's see.

[now]

Good idea batting him behind Kjerstad... like a big brother to show how it's done. 

[Bemorewins]

18 minutes ago, SilverRocket said:

The weird thing in this thread is how little the service time aspect is mentioned. If you send him down, you keep him for another year. The reason he was brought up before the service time cutoff was the chance for a draft pick if he wins ROY, and the chance of that has gone way down.

I don't think it makes much of a difference in his development which league he's in, but why not just take the extra year at this point? The rest of the impact is minimal in comparison.

What if there was something in Elias’ calculus that was beyond service time concerns or ROY consideration?

What if Elias was serious about wanting/attempting to compete for a championship this season? And he wanted Holliday to have enough time acclimating to this level so that by the time of Fall, he would be ready to contribute/make a difference in October? What if that is/was Elias’ primary concern?

[interloper]

7 minutes ago, now said:

Good idea batting him behind Kjerstad... like a big brother to show how it's done. 

They have the clones all together: Kjerstad Jackson Gunnar Adley

[Malike]

If Holliday gets 2 hits tonight, people will complain that it's off a guy with an 8 ERA.

[Moose Milligan]

1 minute ago, Malike said:

If Holliday gets 2 hits tonight, people will complain that it's off a guy with an 8 ERA.

That’s right. 

[Sydnor]

2 minutes ago, Malike said:

If Holliday gets 2 hits tonight, people will complain that it's off a guy with an 8 ERA.

I’ll credit Kjerstad’s leadership (this is sarcasm).

[OnlyOneOriole]

I trained owned race horses for 25 years.  100s and 100s of them.   From bringing up and breaking yearlings who never raced and then racing them as a 2 and 3 year old.....to older war horses who raced 400 times and you keep them together and racing with everything under the kitchen sink.

 

One thing that as a race horse trainer was very easy to see, from the get go, was where to classify your horse as a yearling/maiden.  In  other words a horse who had either never raced or who had never won a race as a 2 and 3 year old.  Some horses show a lot of ability at the farm when training, but then when you get them to the actual races then are just too green.  Which means inexperienced.   They have no idea what they or doing or how to race. 

 

I equate JH to this.   He has shown all kinds of ability on the farm....but when he got to the real deal he was completely over matched.  He looks like a HS player.

When that happens with a race horse?  We race them at easier race tracks against less talented horses to get their feet wet.   To get their confidence.  I think we all, me included, way over rated JH's ability to perform at the ML level so early.   He needs to go back to the farm, grow up a little because he looks like a little kid, and come back when he has matured.

[joelala]

4 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

I trained owned race horses for 25 years.  100s and 100s of them.   From bringing up and breaking yearlings who never raced and then racing them as a 2 and 3 year old.....to older war horses who raced 400 times and you keep them together and racing with everything under the kitchen sink.

 

One thing that as a race horse trainer was very easy to see, from the get go, was where to classify your horse as a yearling/maiden.  In  other words a horse who had either never raced or who had never won a race as a 2 and 3 year old.  Some horses show a lot of ability at the farm when training, but then when you get them to the actual races then are just too green.  Which means inexperienced.   They have no idea what they or doing or how to race. 

 

I equate JH to this.   He has shown all kinds of ability on the farm....but when he got to the real deal he was completely over matched.  He looks like a HS player.

When that happens with a race horse?  We race them at easier race tracks against less talented horses to get their feet wet.   To get their confidence.  I think we all, me included, way over rated JH's ability to perform at the ML level so early.   He needs to go back to the farm, grow up a little because he looks like a little kid, and come back when he has matured.

I don’t know how much horse racing can be used as a baseball analogue. 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, joelala said:

I don’t know how much horse racing can be used as a baseball analogue. 

I'm sure Hays is hoping they don't shoot him because he came up lame.

[Billy F-Face3]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm sure Hays is hoping they don't shoot him because he came up lame.

I don't want to encourage you, but dang that's funny. 

[joelala]

30 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm sure Hays is hoping they don't shoot him because he came up lame.