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Since the All Star break, the O's are 12 for 75 w/ RISP, and they were having problems in that regard before the break, too. In not a small number of those at-bats, Oriole hitters have helped pitchers out by expanding the strike zone, or swinging early at pitcher's pitches instead of looking for a pitch to drive until two strikes. This is an aspect of the game they need to improve, and they are capable, as they led the league in average w/ RISP the first couple months of the season.

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Since the All Star break, the O's are 12 for 75 w/ RISP, and they were having problems in that regard before the break, too. In not a small number of those at-bats, Oriole hitters have helped pitchers out by expanding the strike zone, or swinging early at pitcher's pitches instead of looking for a pitch to drive until two strikes. This is an aspect of the game they need to improve, and they are capable, as they led the league in average w/ RISP the first couple months of the season.

What makes you think the Orioles aren't looking for a pitch to drive? They're leading the league in home runs. I'm pretty sure they know how to look for a pitch they can drive. Heck, in the fourth inning situation you're talking about, every out was in the air.

The pitcher gets to have a say in things, too. Sometimes they make good pitches.

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What makes you think the Orioles aren't looking for a pitch to drive? They're leading the league in home runs. I'm pretty sure they know how to look for a pitch they can drive. Heck, in the fourth inning situation you're talking about, every out was in the air.

The pitcher gets to have a say in things, too. Sometimes they make good pitches.

Hitters need to adjust to the count and situation. What I saw tonight is a lot of guys swinging for the fence no matter what the count. That's not smart baseball.

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This says it all:

April: .273/.333/.463 - .796 OPS, 108 R, 23 G = 4.7 R/G

May: .242/.309/.416 - .725 OPS, 110 R, 27 G = 4.1 R/G

June: .300/.357/.531 - .888 OPS, 185 R, 28 G = 6.6 R/G

July: .240/.297/.378 - .675 OPS, 74 R, 21 G = 3.5 R/G*

*Not including today

Who are the real Orioles? Certainly not the June Orioles. I don't think the July Orioles either.

I think it's more like they level out like a 4.5 - 4.6 R/G kind of team.

Interestingly enough, the O's scored 4.4 R/G last year. They're currently at around a 4.8 R/G pace.

It doesn't help that the following is happening:

July

Wieters: .266 OPS

Davis: .557 OPS

Machado: .605 OPS

Jones: .657 OPS

Essentially the middle of the order is dead flat.

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This says it all:

April: .273/.333/.463 - .796 OPS, 108 R, 23 G = 4.7 R/G

May: .242/.309/.416 - .725 OPS, 110 R, 27 G = 4.1 R/G

June: .300/.357/.531 - .888 OPS, 185 R, 28 G = 6.6 R/G

July: .240/.297/.378 - .675 OPS, 74 R, 21 G = 3.5 R/G*

*Not including today

Who are the real Orioles? Certainly not the June Orioles. I don't think the July Orioles either.

I think it's more like they level out like a 4.5 - 4.6 R/G kind of team.

Interestingly enough, the O's scored 4.4 R/G last year. They're currently at around a 4.8 R/G pace.

It doesn't help that the following is happening:

July

Wieters: .266 OPS

Davis: .557 OPS

Machado: .605 OPS

Jones: .657 OPS

Essentially the middle of the order is dead flat.

There you have it. If we had three Kims we could hit between them we'd be in good shape.
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Seriously?

You realize the guy last night, was selected one pick ahead of Gausman, so maybe, he might just be a decent pitcher.

One game isn't the issue. The RISP hitting has been awful all month. When I do my monthly report on the Orioles, I'll calculate the exact RISP numbers for July, but trust me, they'll be terrible. But I'm sure we'll snap out of it eventually.

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One game isn't the issue. The RISP hitting has been awful all month. When I do my monthly report on the Orioles, I'll calculate the exact RISP numbers for July, but trust me, they'll be terrible. But I'm sure we'll snap out of it eventually.

Just look at the July # for Manny, Davis,and Trumbo. That tells the story.

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One game isn't the issue. The RISP hitting has been awful all month. When I do my monthly report on the Orioles, I'll calculate the exact RISP numbers for July, but trust me, they'll be terrible. But I'm sure we'll snap out of it eventually.

okay, point taken.

I think at times, they are just trying too much, which accounts for the pop ups, etc.

Like Manny last night, homered, not in the 4th, when they had a solid chance to score. He was disgusted with himself.

But, later on in the game, he got one to drive, and he drove it.

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I flipped a coin ten times each month. I really want it to come up tails:

April: 5 tails

May: 6 tails

June: 7 tails

July: 2 tails

Now, who wants to take small samples and draw sweeping conclusions about this coin? Seemingly, everyone in this thread.

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I flipped a coin ten times each month. I really want it to come up tails:

April: 5 tails

May: 6 tails

June: 7 tails

July: 2 tails

Now, who wants to take small samples and draw sweeping conclusions about this coin? Seemingly, everyone in this thread.

While it's a reasonable analogy to use, the O's have more than 200 RISP opportunities per month, not 10. And I do think that human beings are not coins, and there are times where players grow a bit impatient and skew their results. So, I agree there's a lot of random variation around the mean, but I do think that some of the variation occurs due to psychological factors.

And what sweeping conclusions have been drawn in this thread? I don't see any.

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