The Astros and Red Sox Punishments

[interloper]

1 hour ago, wildbillhiccup said:

The reality is that the end of the baseball careers for those men will have a very minimal impact on the franchise. It needed to be harsher for the franchise (not the individuals). 

The loss of those picks is enormously damaging to the health of a franchise. 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, interloper said:

The loss of those picks is enormously damaging to the health of a franchise. 

Almost as bad as signing Ubaldo and Gallardo.

[interloper]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Almost as bad as signing Ubaldo and Gallardo.

Well, exactly.

[SteveA]

19 minutes ago, interloper said:

The loss of those picks is enormously damaging to the health of a franchise. 

I know, imagine where the Orioles would have been if they hadn't taken Brandon Snyder, Garrett Olson, Billy Rowell, and Pedro Beato with their first two picks in 2005 and 2006!

[TGO]

22 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Here is a hypothetical Buck.

Do or die playoff game on the road, extra innings.  You can throw either the reliever having literally the best season ever had by a reliever or an up and down starting pitcher who hasn't been able to hold onto a spot in your rotation.

Who do you pitch?

Ooh ooh and what if your opponent is a homer happy squad, the starter is prone to gopher balls and the reliever extremely is not?

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, TGO said:

Ooh ooh and what if your opponent is a homer happy squad, the starter is prone to gopher balls and the reliever extremely is not?

Doesn't sound like a realistic scenario.

[TGO]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Doesn't sound like a realistic scenario.

Well, it's all hypothetical. 

[Frobby]

23 minutes ago, interloper said:

The loss of those picks is enormously damaging to the health of a franchise. 

 

2 minutes ago, SteveA said:

I know, imagine where the Orioles would have been if they hadn't taken Brandon Snyder, Garrett Olson, Billy Rowell, and Pedro Beato with their first two picks in 2005 and 2006!

I guess interloper should have said “the health of a competent franchise.”

I think the various elements of the punishment, taken together, are a fair penalty.    

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Frobby said:

 

I guess interloper should have said “the health of a competent franchise.”

I think the various elements of the punishment, taken together, are a fair penalty.    

I still think it's a ridiculous escalation over prior penalties. 

 

[Frobby]

4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I still think it's a ridiculous escalation over prior penalties. 

 

I haven’t studied prior penalties, but sometimes you just need to set a new standard and not worry about what was done in the past.    The point is to deter future conduct.    

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I haven’t studied prior penalties, but sometimes you just need to set a new standard and not worry about what was done in the past.    The point is to deter future conduct.    

That's not how I would go about things.  You punish in accordance to precedence and then you establish new guidelines.

This would be akin to a pitcher getting caught using resin and bullfrog to get a better grip and getting a 50 game suspension when Matusz got eight.

[Frobby]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

That's not how I would go about things.  You punish in accordance to precedence and then you establish new guidelines.

This would be akin to a pitcher getting caught using resin and bullfrog to get a better grip and getting a 50 game suspension when Matusz got eight.

Like I said, I haven’t studied past precedent.   What has happened previously that you consider comparable, and what were the punishments?

[atomic]

1 hour ago, Philip said:

But Dan was in line for a promotion in Toronto, wasn’t he? And yet we know what happened there.

If they send us Bergman they can have the whole front office staff and our manager and coaches.

[Frobby]

Just now, atomic said:

If they send us Bergman they can have the whole front office staff and our manager and coaches.

I’m holding out for Bregman.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

Like I said, I haven’t studied past precedent.   What has happened previously that you consider comparable, and what were the punishments?

The Red Sox got fined for cheating with Apple Watches in 2017.

No draft picks, no suspensions, just a fine.