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Should we do a qualifying offer to Trumbo and Wieters?

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That's correct, because it's a well known fact that regardless of how monumentally stupid a one-year contract might be, the money that would have been available to spend on actual needs will magically reappear if you close your eyes, cross your fingers, take a deep breath and say - with complete conviction - "there's no such thing as a bad one-year contract".

It's amazing how many GM's. not to mention owners, are enslaved to such outmoded concepts as fiscal common sense. One the one hand, here's 15% of my entire yearly budget for the final year of the current competitive window, on the other hand here's a 15% chance that I might acquire a player who might be league average in 4-5 years. Hmmmm, decisions, decisions...

A $17 million one year contract for the best catcher on the market is not monumentally stupid especially considering one of the biggest needs of this team this offseason is catcher. Would it be an over pay? Yea but not by much and it's worth the risk for the potential draft pick.

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A $17 million one year contract for the best catcher on the market is not monumentally stupid especially considering one of the biggest needs of this team this offseason is catcher. Would it be an over pay? Yea but not by much and it's worth the risk for the potential draft pick.

Depends on what him accepting it would do the the rest of the budget. If spending 17 on Wieters means that next years outfield is going to be some combination of Jones, Kim, Reimold and Rickard...

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You have to make a QO to Trump, he's going to make the O's great again. :rofl:

These Orioles they can only win a measly 89 games a season. The Cubs are winning 103 games a season. The Cubs are just so much smarter than the Orioles. If you sign Trump you will have 120 no 130 wins a season. You will win so much you will get sick of winning.

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Wasn't MW the best C on the market last year too? http://www.espn.com/mlb/freeagents/_/position/c I know he was coming off TJ surgery but it was a weak market last year too. Plus what is his market this year? All the big name teams have C's.

Possible fits:

Cleveland

Detroit

White Sox

Angels

Nationals

Mets

I just don't see any of these teams surrendering a draft pick and giving him 4/40+. It's either keep him for 3/27 or let him walk. No QO.

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A $17 million one year contract for the best catcher on the market is not monumentally stupid especially considering one of the biggest needs of this team this offseason is catcher. Would it be an over pay? Yea but not by much and it's worth the risk for the potential draft pick.

Matt's 2016 wRC+ is 88 which puts him solidly between average and below average, so spending $17 million plus for performance in that neighborhood would not only be an overpay, it would be an overpay by a multiple of at least two. While he's not terrible, he's not a particularly good player either. I disagree that catcher is one of the biggest needs for the Orioles in 2017, I think it's one of the least important and if Matt Wieters is the best available FA catcher, then that's a compelling argument to focus your attention where there's a greater likelihood of finding more value for a limited payroll.

Gambling considerably more money than you can afford to lose is one good working definition of monumentally stupid. With contract raises, increases from arbitration and disappointing attendance, I don't believe the Orioles have an additional $17 million for the rest of their needs combined. They certainly don't have enough to severely overpay a mediocre catcher because they miscalculated.

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Trump might start a new network and if the Orioles could get a piece of it and get out of the MASN deal I am all for it. He will need programming. Not sure how high the fences will be around Trump Yards but I am sure it will get built. The Orange uniforms match the hair.

And he will make the Nats pay for it!

Trumbo should definitely get a QO. I think that you give one to Wieters as well. I think he takes it again, but it still puts us in a good spot. If the choice is between Wieters accepting and not being able to resign Trumbo because of it, I say no. But you have to go into it knowing Wieters accepts and base your plans off that. We should already have a good idea of what Trumbo will cost and target prices for a COF.

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What does a team friendly deal look like for a sub 2WAR player?

I don't buy all the WAR hype....End of the day the guy hit 40+ dingers and drove in 100 runs.

I'd prefer for him to be the DH....I'm hoping for 3/36 or 4/48 and that's probably low. But as I said I prefer him as the regular DH. They could use the money they paid Alvarez to cover the difference. If Trumbo really likes it here he just might accept. Stability is something he really hasn't had thus far in his career.

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I don't buy all the WAR hype....End of the day the guy hit 40+ dingers and drove in 100 runs.

I'd prefer for him to be the DH....I'm hoping for 3/36 or 4/48 and that's probably low. But as I said I prefer him as the regular DH. They could use the money they paid Alvarez to cover the difference. If Trumbo really likes it here he just might accept. Stability is something he really hasn't had thus far in his career.

As a tool for rationalizing undistinguished contracts handed out by your favorite team, WAR is unsurpassed.

"Look ma, Dan paid retail for Matt Wieters!", exclaimed the beaming Orioles fan.

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