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[markakis4pres]

There is always a price for everything, it is just a matter of finding out what that price is. Heck, I could drop my car in the reservoir, drag it out, place it as is on my driveway, and put it up for sale. Eventually someone would buy it. The price is just going to be really low

Unfortunately, the return for Mora will probably be a lot less than the O's want, or they will have to eat a significant portion of his salary.

At this point, I dont think anyone really cares what we get back for Mora.

We just want him gone so we can Moore/Constanzo a chance.

[PoorMike]

Can anyone answer this question: what was the Cubs actual confirmed best offer for BRob?

[bird watcher]

Can anyone answer this question: what was the Cubs actual confirmed best offer for BRob?

I am fairly certain that there never were any confirmations.

[bandy75]

As great as it would be to land those four prospects from Seattle, I would vomit in my mouth if Penn was a throw-in. It would be ridiculously stupid of the O's to trade Penn right now. His trade value is low. He fits in with the team's plan of stockpiling good young pitching talent. His stats in the minors indicate to me that he's a better bet to be a good SP in the league than almost any of the other young pitching prospects in the organization. Penn should not be a throw-in at this point in time. Just because he has had injury issues and a supposed 'attitude' problem does NOT mean that the team is free to discard him in any future rebuilding plans.

True, but you can only have so many of the same prospects. I like Penn myself, I really don't care which prospect they throw in, could be Olsen/Liz/Patten etc. etc. If we can use one of them to finish off a deal like that with the potential Tillman and Triunfel have I would do it.

[bandy75]

Can anyone answer this question: what was the Cubs actual confirmed best offer for BRob?

no, noone can

[StunninSteve]

True, but you can only have so many of the same prospects. I like Penn myself, I really don't care which prospect they throw in, could be Olsen/Liz/Patten etc. etc. If we can use one of them to finish off a deal like that with the potential Tillman and Triunfel have I would do it.

I'd have to disagree with Liz or Patten because Liz has a high ceiling to grow still and Patten has number 2 potential. Makes sense since they were ranked number 2 and 3 in our organization respectively...

[PoorMike]

I am fairly certain that there never were any confirmations.

We really have no idea whether the Cubs offer was any good or not. We have no idea if we can use it as leverage with CLE either. It's nice to talk about Gallagher+Marshall/Muton+EPat/Cedeno or Miller+Gutierrez+Barfield, but that might not even be close. Maybe each of those deals only have/had 2 players.

I really would like to have BR traded though. I can;t see his value any higher.

[bandy75]

I'd have to disagree with Liz or Patten because Liz has a high ceiling to grow still and Patten has number 2 potential. Makes sense since they were ranked number 2 and 3 in our organization respectively...

I agree, but the general idea is that we have some surplus that we can trade. I like several of the O's pitching prospects and would be sad to see them go, but we have to give up something to get something. It might sting a little to lose one of them, but we have enough others to make up for it.

[nattyboh]

Assuming the Orioles make no more moves.....

are they really out of it for 08?

they would have a rotation that still had bedard, guthrie and Loewen in it. the lineup would look something like this:

Roberts

Mora

Markakis

Millar/Huff/ Left Fielder ( forget his name)

R. Hernandez

Patterson/Redman

L Hernandez

Left fielder/ millar/huff

DH ( whoever)

And I think the bullpen will be better than what it was. Im excited to see what Sarfate can do.

[Roll Tide]

Can anyone answer this question: what was the Cubs actual confirmed best offer for BRob?

The alleged aborted deal was Gallagher , Marshall, & Cedeno per Tony's contacts

I would take Gallagher ... I believe he could be a possible 2 .... Just my opinion

Would not say no to Miller, but durability seems to be a big question.

[neon2lsohc]

Just remember that during the Beckett discussions there was one night when a couple of our players were actually pulled right before a game in anticipation of a trade and that trade never went down. Nonetheless I am hopeful.

I don't remember us trying to trade for Beckett. I remember Burnette but no Beckett. That would have rocked!

[Pruke]

Assuming the Orioles make no more moves.....

are they really out of it for 08?

they would have a rotation that still had bedard, guthrie and Loewen in it. the lineup would look something like this:

Roberts

Mora

Markakis

Millar/Huff/ Left Fielder ( forget his name)

R. Hernandez

Patterson/Redman

L Hernandez

Left fielder/ millar/huff

DH ( whoever)

And I think the bullpen will be better than what it was. Im excited to see what Sarfate can do.

If by 'IT' you mean the division cellar, I don't think so, but maybe we'll get lucky and finish fourth again.

[djp200]

Assuming the Orioles make no more moves.....

are they really out of it for 08?

they would have a rotation that still had bedard, guthrie and Loewen in it. the lineup would look something like this:

Roberts

Mora

Markakis

Millar/Huff/ Left Fielder ( forget his name)

R. Hernandez

Patterson/Redman

L Hernandez

Left fielder/ millar/huff

DH ( whoever)

And I think the bullpen will be better than what it was. Im excited to see what Sarfate can do.

Out of what? There's no way the team, as currently constructed, would be in anything. The offense needs to improve in runs scored (finished 9th last season) and the change from Tejada to LH coupled with the change from the rotation of LF's to Luke Scott won't improve the offense that much. The pitching--despite Bedard's brilliant season--finished 13th in the league in runs allowed. Even if Loewen, Guthrie, and DCab took decent steps forward in their development, it wouldn't be enough.

This team absolutely cannot afford to stand pat. They would not contend for anything. They would be no closer to contending in the near future either.

[PoorMike]

I don't remember us trying to trade for Beckett. I remember Burnette but no Beckett. That would have rocked!

I think he meant AJB.

[Sports Guy]

Can't see the Phillies having interest in Mora, nor should they. They've got Greg Dobbs for 3B, who is a much better player than Mora (or at least should be).

This isn't even remotely true.

Dobbs was worth 3.3 less wins last year according to WARP3 and that was in the lesser league and a better hitter's park.