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12 minutes ago, Going Underground said:

Yes,I have seen wide ranges from 38,000 to 2.1 million

I guess IHME is around 93,000 into August But still data based on how the virus will perform and people will act.

Hopefully we get the real low end and does not come back in the fall 

Just starting to get familiar with this site.  The 93.5k estimate is the midpoint of their range (40k to 178k).  This is with total social distancing which is obviously not happening now.  It does drive into state by state detail too.

[mdbdotcom]

24 minutes ago, Going Underground said:

Yes,I have seen wide ranges from 38,000 to 2.1 million

I guess IHME is around 93,000 into August But still data based on how the virus will perform and people will act.

Hopefully we get the real low end and does not come back in the fall 

That model was based on applying US data to the Chinese curve. But in China they implemented a full lockdown. We still have 12 states with no stay-at-home measures in place.

[atomic]

10 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

That model was based on applying US data to the Chinese curve. But in China they implemented a full lockdown. We still have 12 states with no stay-at-home measures in place.

And China lied about the data. I think they opened up their movie theaters for one day and then closed them down again. 

[atomic]

1 hour ago, jarman86 said:

I am reading.  You say school is more important than spectator sports.  This is a belief you have not based on logic. 

1.) Who gets more funding, a stadium for a professional team or Olympic committee or public school system?  Answer, sports.  Sports has more money for politicians and more jobs.  Rich people send their kids to private schools, which have the ability to do home schooling and what not.  Politicians will sell their first child to have a NFL team in their city, you think they give a darn about schools in budgets?  Give me a break.

2.) Yes, they will.  Again, WWE in Florida is this weekend.  Two nights, over 50 superstars (heck I think they do a Battle Royal for Andre The Giant memorial with 30 guys in ring same time) is still occurring despite the Governor issuing stay at home order.  So to your governments not allowing this traveling virus show to hit their town is also a nice lack of reality.  If MLB wants to have no attendance games in Florida right now, the governor and the state would 95% let that happen.  I'd assume that is the same for other states as well.  Let us remember, MLB was last organization to stop playing sports amid coronavirus.  

3.) You go to schools AGAIN AND AGAIN, and comparatively it makes no sense for the basis of your argument.  Schools have closed because they operate in two semesters, generally from January to June and August/September to December/January.  It makes no sense to restart the school year at this moment since they've missed now two months.  If they started up in May, that would bring them to August, start of the next school year, if June as some analysts predict, may be September, which would overlap school years.  Business like MLB, NHL, NBA, NFL MLS are not tied to school years, so why would MLB not start on June 1 if they could?  You make no sense.  

4.) I don't know why I bother with you because you don't read and or listen and the vast majority of your strong held opinions are based on your feelings and not in reason.  Good luck telling the NFL to hold their season because the kids haven't gone back to school.  They have enough politicians and bring enough money to the table, that they will start whenever they want.  And if they get delayed, it is more because this virus is out of control than the kids and their schools.  But what do I know I'm living in fantasy sports land.  

I am guessing you don't have kids in school. All I hear is someone who is all about themselves talking.

My daughter is in private school. Yeah they are doing distance learning.  It is not the equivalent of going to school in any shape or form. 

No one cares about the NFL or MLB.  The amount of money they have pales in comparison to big businesses out there that are shut-down.  The amount of money spent on public schools is so much more than sports stadiums that I think you really need a doses of reality.   You are just stating nonsense about the money spent on schools and teachers.  Maybe do some research.

$706 Billion spent on public schools per year in US.  $9.9 Billion total revenue from baseball.  

[Going Underground]

OK, quick update. You have time on the Jim Palmer live chat. It is at 3 pm today Eastern — noon pacific time — Cakes is always a talker. So it should be fun. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUooY1_VAAAWPNZ.jpg

[atomic]

Baltimore City is facing a big financial shortfall due to less taxes paid (hotel and income and probably admission taxes) and red light and speed camera shortages.  Less parking fines.  

I guess they will be doing lay-offs if no one bails them out.  This is how a recession builds on itself. 

[atomic]

So much for warm weather stopping this article about Ecuador (Warning not an easy read):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/coronavirus-guayaquil-ecuador-bodies-corpses-streets/2020/04/03/79c786c8-7522-11ea-ad9b-254ec99993bc_story.html

 

[murph]

8 minutes ago, atomic said:

So much for warm weather stopping this article about Ecuador (Warning not an easy read):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/coronavirus-guayaquil-ecuador-bodies-corpses-streets/2020/04/03/79c786c8-7522-11ea-ad9b-254ec99993bc_story.html

 

I think I read this somewhere (and no, I don't have a link, so full disclaimer this is on my completely unreliable memory), that Covid-19 can live in up to 130 degrees heat.   

Everyone move to death valley?

[atomic]

2 hours ago, Going Underground said:

Yes,I have seen wide ranges from 38,000 to 2.1 million

I guess IHME is around 93,000 into August But still data based on how the virus will perform and people will act.

Hopefully we get the real low end and does not come back in the fall 

Over 500 people died overnight in NYC.   There is no way we will be in the low range. 

[jarman86]

1 hour ago, atomic said:

I am guessing you don't have kids in school. All I hear is someone who is all about themselves talking.

My daughter is in private school. Yeah they are doing distance learning.  It is not the equivalent of going to school in any shape or form. 

No one cares about the NFL or MLB.  The amount of money they have pales in comparison to big businesses out there that are shut-down.  The amount of money spent on public schools is so much more than sports stadiums that I think you really need a doses of reality.   You are just stating nonsense about the money spent on schools and teachers.  Maybe do some research.

$706 Billion spent on public schools per year in US.  $9.9 Billion total revenue from baseball.  

First line, my response is to laugh at you.  I haven't talked about myself other than to say, I would like to see sports.  I never said sports over safety, I have always said hey, they are looking at ways to start without fans and by taking precautions and if they can do it, I'm for it.  If not, it just sucks.  The person you here I think is you.

Glad your daughter goes to a private school, hope she is getting a good education.

To your third comment, yes....yes they do.  And your comment is ignorance.  If they didn't care, a draft wouldn't be occurring in April.  ESPN wouldn't be continually having sportscasters come into their offices to report on NBA games in the 90's and 2000's and do a stupid best NCAA basketball player of all time tournament risking their staff getting infected and spreading it.  That is stupid, but people care enough and ratings and commercial money drive it enough for ESPN to do this.  But you are right, I'm sure no one cares.  

OMG, congrats, you pulled up statistics.  I'm so proud of you maybe I'm breaking through.  However, to your point, I'm not sure what you are trying to say on money spent on public schools.  This is a new argument you are bringing against me for something I didn't say.  My point was, NFL brings money to politicians through donations through campaigns and super PACs.  It also brings in jobs and "revenue" to cities(which it really doesn't but every politician will tell you it does).  This is why cities fight over fielding professional sports teams and will cut funding to find ways to keep a sports team happy in our country. Sure, the US budget is high in the US, it spans public school for college all the way down to elementary over 50 states.  Baseball is in 30 or 46 if you count minors and only in a few cities at that, so you are correct.  the Billions you bring up is not revenue but taxpayer funded.  It does not go to politicians.  Baseball money can because it is a private business and can have more influence, i.e. why it still holds its monopoly status in the United States and can pay minor leaguers so minimal a wage.  Lets look at Maryland.  Gaming revenue from casinos was supposed to go to education.  It has mostly, but our governor has, as a result, attempted to and cut education funding in state bills.  The federal government attempts to cut education funding annually.  So, again my point that politicians don't care about public education as much as sports, still holds despite your numbers plot.  

I am done with this arguing as it seems useless as you do not listen and just want to hear yourself talk.  

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6 minutes ago, jarman86 said:

First line, my response is to laugh at you.  I haven't talked about myself other than to say, I would like to see sports.  I never said sports over safety, I have always said hey, they are looking at ways to start without fans and by taking precautions and if they can do it, I'm for it.  If not, it just sucks.  The person you here I think is you.

Glad your daughter goes to a private school, hope she is getting a good education.

To your third comment, yes....yes they do.  And your comment is ignorance.  If they didn't care, a draft wouldn't be occurring in April.  ESPN wouldn't be continually having sportscasters come into their offices to report on NBA games in the 90's and 2000's and do a stupid best NCAA basketball player of all time tournament risking their staff getting infected and spreading it.  That is stupid, but people care enough and ratings and commercial money drive it enough for ESPN to do this.  But you are right, I'm sure no one cares.  

OMG, congrats, you pulled up statistics.  I'm so proud of you maybe I'm breaking through.  However, to your point, I'm not sure what you are trying to say on money spent on public schools.  This is a new argument you are bringing against me for something I didn't say.  My point was, NFL brings money to politicians through donations through campaigns and super PACs.  It also brings in jobs and "revenue" to cities(which it really doesn't but every politician will tell you it does).  This is why cities fight over fielding professional sports teams and will cut funding to find ways to keep a sports team happy in our country. Sure, the US budget is high in the US, it spans public school for college all the way down to elementary over 50 states.  Baseball is in 30 or 46 if you count minors and only in a few cities at that, so you are correct.  the Billions you bring up is not revenue but taxpayer funded.  It does not go to politicians.  Baseball money can because it is a private business and can have more influence, i.e. why it still holds its monopoly status in the United States and can pay minor leaguers so minimal a wage.  Lets look at Maryland.  Gaming revenue from casinos was supposed to go to education.  It has mostly, but our governor has, as a result, attempted to and cut education funding in state bills.  The federal government attempts to cut education funding annually.  So, again my point that politicians don't care about public education as much as sports, still holds despite your numbers plot.  

I am done with this arguing as it seems useless as you do not listen and just want to hear yourself talk.  

I think it's time for you guy to take this to DMs or just ignore each other.

[MongoBoy]

3 hours ago, atomic said:

And China lied about the data. I think they opened up their movie theaters for one day and then closed them down again. 

They closed them down again cause the only movie they had available was Christopher Robin.

[AuburnAL]

6 hours ago, atomic said:

I saw some guy walking his dog in pajamas in the afternoon.  Slippery slope from wearing sweat pants to wearing the same pajamas 7 days in a row and stop bathing and painting a face on a soccer ball and giving it a name.I am trying to stay a little bit sane. 

Why would a dog wear pajamas?

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, AuburnAL said:

Why would a dog wear pajamas?

It's cold.

[Frobby]

6 hours ago, jarman86 said:

I am reading.  You say school is more important than spectator sports.  This is a belief you have not based on logic. 

1.) Who gets more funding, a stadium for a professional team or Olympic committee or public school system?  Answer, sports.  Sports has more money for politicians and more jobs.  Rich people send their kids to private schools, which have the ability to do home schooling and what not.  Politicians will sell their first child to have a NFL team in their city, you think they give a darn about schools in budgets?  Give me a break.

School budgets:

Baltimore County $2.17 bb

Montgomery County $2.68 bb

Prince Georges Count $1.8 mm

DC $918 mm

Howard County $972 mm

Ann Arundel $1.27 bb

That’s an annual expenditure, not a one-time expenditure on a stadium.